Mav Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Normally I'd let the others who typically make the weekly SG threads do so but.. That was some devisatating B.S. Not only have we lost Prometheus several episodes ago but this?!?! 4 Ori warships, completely owned the army we could summon between the Asgard, Tokra, Jaffa, Tauri AND the Lucian Alliance... Worst part is one of the two Tauri ships got blown to kingdom come. Either it was the Odyssey or the Korvelov (sorry if I misspelt that). Danielle and Mitchell were on the Korvelov... Honestly either of them getting destroyed is a crippling blow to Earth. If the Korvelov survived then not only did the ship that replaced the Prometheus bite the dust but we also have no other ships besides the Daedelus since we gave the Korvelov to the Russians. Though I will admit it was nice to see the Russians be open to helping us defend the galaxy. If the Korvelov was destroyed that means Danielle is probably dead, again. Mitchell might have made it to a F-302 just in time to get away before the ship was blown. But Danny was on the bridge with Russian Guy (I can't remember his name) I wish they were more specific about the Ori's power in terms of ships. The satelite they built/designed, could blow right through a ships shields. Though from this episode, Ha'taks barely survived one hit, most going down in that one shot. The Earth vessels survived several shots as did the Asgard fleet. We are left with..nothing? Most if not all the Ha'tak (both Tokra, Jaffa and Lucian) seemed destroyed. The Asgard didnt seem to be perfectly defended and the Earth ships were taking a pounding with one destroyed. They're dead, Jim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Worst part is one of the two Tauri ships got blown to kingdom come. Either it was the Odyssey or the Korvelov Nothing I hate more than fake russian accents. Good riddance. I predict the bug faces will unwittingly enter the galaxy and get RAIDed by the ori, with dr. canada on board. It's not a zero, it's a ZED! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted March 11, 2006 Author Share Posted March 11, 2006 McKay is what is carrying Atlantis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybrick Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I have two theories on what could happen next: 1) The Orion (Ancient Warship from Atlantis s2e19) will swoop in and save everyone at the last second while they are back in our Galaxy stopping Michael's Hive Ship from reaching Earth. 2) Since Ascended beings don't exist within our normal conception of space time (according to Daniel in this episode), and the "grail" weapon is supposed to affect beings in that particular conception of space time, that whenever they DO find the weapon, it will delete the Ori from ever existing (or at least from the past season) and negate whatever damage they do during the next season. If this route is followed, I predict heavy casualties for Season ten, possibly even going as far as destroying Earth. Hell, may as well, if they're going to pull the "It was all a dream" ruse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordQ Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I have two theories on what could happen next: 1) The Orion (Ancient Warship from Atlantis s2e19) will swoop in and save everyone at the last second while they are back in our Galaxy stopping Michael's Hive Ship from reaching Earth. 2) Since Ascended beings don't exist within our normal conception of space time (according to Daniel in this episode), and the "grail" weapon is supposed to affect beings in that particular conception of space time, that whenever they DO find the weapon, it will delete the Ori from ever existing (or at least from the past season) and negate whatever damage they do during the next season. If this route is followed, I predict heavy casualties for Season ten, possibly even going as far as destroying Earth. Hell, may as well, if they're going to pull the "It was all a dream" ruse. The weapon can't affect what already happened, all it will do is stop the Ori, wont make it like they never existed. Who knows, maybe the ancients might step in, highly doubt it though. However maybe that's who 'Arthur' is, an ancient? And he'll come back to save the day? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybrick Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 The weapon can't affect what already happened' date=' all it will do is stop the Ori, wont make it like they never existed.[/quote'] Why couldn't it? There are already many clues that this may be the case. Jackson says that the Ascended don't live in the same "space-time" as we do. Our concept of time does not apply. An Ascended being may be able to exist simultaneously in the present, past, and future. That's how they know so much. It also accounts for how Merlin, as an Ascended being, would know about future events and the myth that he lives "backward in time". Think about it. A weapon meant to work on our plane of existence can't affect the past, but an extraplanar weapon like Merlin's conceivably could, and in most likeihood, would. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amnot Borg Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well, seeing as it's a finale and a cliffhanger then we'll just have to wait until next season and see what happens, won't we? ;) My guess is that the Ancients quit being pacifists and kick Ori butt. Everyone then goes home and has a brewski amid much joy that life is good. :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordQ Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 The weapon can't affect what already happened' date=' all it will do is stop the Ori, wont make it like they never existed.[/quote'] Why couldn't it? There are already many clues that this may be the case. Jackson says that the Ascended don't live in the same "space-time" as we do. Our concept of time does not apply. An Ascended being may be able to exist simultaneously in the present, past, and future. That's how they know so much. It also accounts for how Merlin, as an Ascended being, would know about future events and the myth that he lives "backward in time". Think about it. A weapon meant to work on our plane of existence can't affect the past, but an extraplanar weapon like Merlin's conceivably could, and in most likeihood, would. I'd put money against it making the Ori magically disappear from the entire timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybrick Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Well, so would I, But deleting them from recent history could happen, a few days, a week, maybe a month or two. Y'know, just long enough to change something devastating. ;) My theory is that, being immortal and not inhabiting our plane of existence, their concept of "now" isn't "this second" like it is from our frame of reference, but spans for some length of time into both the past and the future as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybrick Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 However maybe that's who 'Arthur' is' date=' an ancient? [/quote'] Or maybe Vala's baby is Arthur reincarnated? Both were conceived without fathers. Maybe it's the work or Merlin and not the Ori? Oooooh, I can't wait until July! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mindwalker Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 All in all; It was a kickass episode. And we're not sure WHAT happened anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Great episode! I lost track of how many ships were destroyed. The only vessel that appeared to be holding its own against the Ori was the Asgard, but it was only one. Damn, what a blow to the Milky Way Galaxy! I just hope that the Ori and their followers don't get weaker like what happened to the Wraith on SGA. I'm also not sure how long the US and the other countries will be able to conceal the Stargate program, the starships etc. from the public with the Ori (and the Wraith) in the neighborhood. Isn't it time to disclose everything instead of keep running an underground operation with limited resources and manpower? Anyway, I look forward to season 10... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mateya Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 I like the ori ship design - you couldnt really tell how would they look in action and they were awsome in this ep. I like that white glow in the middle (powersource?). and I can't wait until july either :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OverlordQ Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Only sad thing I thought was the speed of the Ori 'MegaDeathStarLaserThing' Beam, imo if the alliance (all the good guys, not just the Lucians) would of had some faster ships, the Ori wouldn't of had a chance to target them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xron18x Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Excellent episode at first i didn't think i would've like this one but it turned around pretty nice right at the end with the space battle and the ori ships. The ori ships were very cool looking i especially enjoyed watching them destroy earth's fleet of ships. One thing i don't understand is why no jumo into hyperspace after they knew they were loosing. But i guess it wasn't really any time for all that since the ori disabled there ships so quickly. So does this mean the ori ships dont have hyperdrive engines if they had to use a giant gate to travel to our galaxy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted March 11, 2006 Author Share Posted March 11, 2006 I'm also not sure how long the US and the other countries will be able to conceal the Stargate program, the starships etc. from the public with the Ori (and the Wraith) in the neighborhood. Isn't it time to disclose everything instead of keep running an underground operation with limited resources and manpower? Humanity isn't ready for it. We've been partnered with Russia for quite a while in the SGC right, gave them their own team even let them intergrate with some existing teams. Plus we rent the gate from them. And look at how they basically used blackmail to get their own ship, one we hadn't even finished building yet... You let the general public know, mass panic. If the mere governments can barely get along in such a venture, the populations won't. We just are not at a point in time where we as a world get along enough for something such as space exploration would strengthen our bounds or unite us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dregoth Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Is it just an impression or were the forces commited by the "coalition" rather insignificant? The jaffa had about...ummm 8-10 motherships, 1 Asgard, 2 human and 4-5 more from the Lucian alliance. What happened to the numbers that Baal or Anubis had? Or that chancellor, whatshisname that becam a prior, when he wanted to attack Chulak? Even the Asgard could have arrived with more than 1 single frickin' ship. There are no more replications (maybe) to keep them busy with "more pressing matters," so why not send a dozen high tech ships? Bah, this was the lamest, halfhearted defense I've ever seen in a Sci Fi show. Even the Federation, which makes it a policy to always send just the Enterprise to solve all of its problems, sent at least 50 ships the first time the Borg appeared :D Other than that it was a cool episode. I liked the Nintendo knight with his "sword of tickling and causing mild unpleasantness" :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jawa Posted March 11, 2006 Share Posted March 11, 2006 Other than that it was a cool episode. I liked the Nintendo knight with his "sword of tickling and causing mild unpleasantness" :D ROFL, so funny ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 Now, talking about the knight, I didn't understand why Mitchell was able to use the sword (Excalibur, I suppose) against him since the girl from Camelot was the one who actually retrieved it. If I'm not mistaken, in the first episode of this season, when Mitchell was the one who retrieved the sword, Teal'c tried to use it against the knight and it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mav Posted March 12, 2006 Author Share Posted March 12, 2006 Is it just an impression or were the forces commited by the "coalition" rather insignificant? The jaffa had about...ummm 8-10 motherships, 1 Asgard, 2 human and 4-5 more from the Lucian alliance. What happened to the numbers that Baal or Anubis had? Or that chancellor, whatshisname that becam a prior, when he wanted to attack Chulak? Even the Asgard could have arrived with more than 1 single frickin' ship. There are no more replications (maybe) to keep them busy with "more pressing matters," so why not send a dozen high tech ships? Bah, this was the lamest, halfhearted defense I've ever seen in a Sci Fi show. Even the Federation, which makes it a policy to always send just the Enterprise to solve all of its problems, sent at least 50 ships the first time the Borg appeared :D Other than that it was a cool episode. I liked the Nintendo knight with his "sword of tickling and causing mild unpleasantness" :D Well, you gotta remember some of the backstory on each "race". Obviously the Tauri sent what we had, the Oddessy and the Korolev. The Asgard are still rebuilding from their war with the Replicators. Let's not forget they took heavy casualties in Season 8, not to mention they still haven't solved their cloning issues so the more they keep making of themselves the less they are as a whole. Not to mention the Asgard aren't like the Goa'uld who have massive armies of Ha'taks. The Asgard "fleet" is like 10 ships total from what we've seen (and never all at once) The free Jaffa Nation still does not "stand together". While they live in peace and such the Jaffa Council still decides their military efforts. Maybe they thought X amount of ships was enough, or didn't want to commit their entire force to it incase their homeworld(s) were attacked. as for the Lucian Alliance, other than Teal'c sparing dudes life and basically forcing them to "help" or be destroyed, they also are not going to send the bulk of their fleet. Now the real sad part? Not that they all got their asses handed to them. Not that they, if any, got away with their tails between their legs. But the fact that after the first minute or so of battle when they saw no matter what they weren't harming the Ori ships, they didn't leave. They had Ha'taks blowing up left and right, the Odyssey and Korolev were taking a pounding. If they couldn't do a damn thing, fall back, regroup and try a new plan. It's not like they were buying Jackson some time to find the location Merlin went too of the three worlds, he was on the Korolev with Mitchell. It was a valiant last stand but from the looks of it only the Asgard ship, maybe one Tauri vessel and probably the Ha'tak Teal'c was on survived. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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