Ithan_StarChild Posted March 25, 2006 Share Posted March 25, 2006 Newbie. :p Joined today, and donated! :mad: The average price of a single new CD is $14-$24, US; a DVD, anywhere from $14-$49 US; and series collections run anywhere from $39-$159 US -- depending on the artist, subject matter, age and popularity of the piece. I love SF, but the MPAA and TPA (Television Producers Association) are killing it by degrees (see Boxleitner's most recent commentaries -- in the UK, I might ad...). And, the more they squash it, the more its going to go into the hands of "rebels," if for nothing else than to be "keepers of the flame," so to speak. And in the US lately, I'm sorry to say, we're going to need a LOT of flame keepers lest spirit and hope die. It isn't just sharing; it isn't just SF -- that's just the tip of the iceberg. This country is becoming the very thing many 'rebel movies' of the '70s (Rollerball, The Running Man, etc.) and Babylon 5 warned us of: self-serving conservative politicos and corporati, in bed together, and who care only for their own gain -- to hell with the rest of us, save for whatever restrictions they can impose on us proletariat to keep us from challenging their straggle-hold on the world... I'm more that happy to contribute to at least one flame keeper who's helped out a lot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jounin Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 If you guys had been reading Nite's blog you would know that the terms of the settlement offered by the MPAA indicate that all donations to him or to niteshdw.com will go directly to the MPAA, and he wont see a dime. So why would you donate to the MPAA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motoxjesse Posted March 27, 2006 Share Posted March 27, 2006 If you guys had been reading Nite's blog you would know that the terms of the settlement offered by the MPAA indicate that all donations to him or to niteshdw.com will go directly to the MPAA' date=' and he wont see a dime. So why would you donate to the MPAA?[/quote'] ...and if you continue to read up on the matter, you'll notice that we can still donate as Nite has not signed ANYTHING at this time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 If you guys had been reading Nite's blog you would know that the terms of the settlement offered by the MPAA indicate that all donations to him or to niteshdw.com will go directly to the MPAA, and he wont see a dime. So why would you donate to the MPAA? ...and if you continue to read up on the matter, you'll notice that we can still donate as Nite has not signed ANYTHING at this time. Absolutely right I hope that the visitors from slyck and digg have been pressing that button. By all accounts Nite has become a Celebrity :) Our friends on these sites have as much to lose as we do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippincp Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Here's another way to help althought it will only apply to a tiny minority. I'm in the process of transferring a website over to Nite's server and have arranged to pay him the same amount. Is there anyone else paying for hosting who could transfer or do you know anyone who does? I'll probibly be donating as well. Pip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
editrix Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Donating for hosting BT seems to be going to the MPAA (by their stipulations in the settlement), but I also assume Nite needs donations for hosting the boards, too. Nite, will donations to run the boards also be used as lein by the MPAA? Or would you get them (which is only fair)? (a longish-time lurker, unlurking....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippincp Posted March 31, 2006 Share Posted March 31, 2006 Donating for hosting BT seems to be going to the MPAA (by their stipulations in the settlement), but I also assume Nite needs donations for hosting the boards, too. Nite, will donations to run the boards also be used as lein by the MPAA? Or would you get them (which is only fair)? (a longish-time lurker, unlurking....) Who mentioned BT sites? People need to read before they open their fingers to reply! Do you not know a business in your locality (eg a hardware shop) or anything else. Think before you reply or at least read the post properly! Pip If you weren't referring to my pevious post accepy my apolagies! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oomox Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Would it be possible for NiteShdw to join in a class action suit against the MMPA with other torrent sites like TorrentSpy or Torrent Reactor. What they are doing is essentially defamation, NiteShdw might not have the money or clout to go it alone, but if he teamed up with some of the big boys they could probably get the case thrown out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippincp Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Would it be possible for NiteShdw to join in a class action suit against the MMPA with other torrent sites like TorrentSpy or Torrent Reactor. What they are doing is essentially defamation' date=' NiteShdw might not have the money or clout to go it alone, but if he teamed up with some of the big boys they could probably get the case thrown out.[/quote'] Unfortunately I don't think that would work primarily because the sites you mention are SEARCH ENGINES not torrent sites! TorrentSpy's defense seems to be that they are providing a service similar to google which is true, they didn't host ant torrent files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted April 1, 2006 Share Posted April 1, 2006 Count me in to support Nite and not the MPAA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pippincp Posted April 2, 2006 Share Posted April 2, 2006 Count me in to support Nite and not the MPAA. Nice to see you back. Your support was always guarnteed. You've been sadly missed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! TAKE NOTE EVERYBODY ELDERBEAR'S BACK!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioned69 Posted April 26, 2006 Share Posted April 26, 2006 Donated and count me in on monthly donations. I get a small allowance each month from my husband but I think I can manage $10 - $15. Nite, do you have any idea how much the lawyer's fees might be? If we have an estimated number, then we'd know how much we'd need to raise and it can even act as a motivation fundraising tool. I have a couple of friends in the UK (I'm in France) that are huge Star Trek fans and it would make it easier if they have a PO Box that they can send their donations to. I know... I know it's risky to send $$ in the post, but we do it all the time (quilters who swap with each other all over the world send in $$$ for return postage with their quilt blocks to the hostesses) I just think that if Nite has a PO Box addy (assuming of course that he wouldn't want to use his home addy), we can spread the word around better. People can send in their donations (e.g. US cheques made out to Nite) directly. I probably stepped on some people's feet with my post but frankly my dears, I don't give a damn. I'm irrelevant. Nite is what matters here and now. Sandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted April 26, 2006 Author Share Posted April 26, 2006 Now this is the kind of iniative I've been looking for! :) Way to go! Kudos!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gimp Posted April 28, 2006 Share Posted April 28, 2006 Is there a pace to buy Niteshdw t-shirts? I'd happily buy a couple if they were cool... if there are none yet, I work with some artist, I can have them make up some samples for the community to check out if you want :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freyyr890 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 I thought this might help... This is from The Pirate Bay's infamous legal page. Most of it is just the (swedish) admin making fun of the people that want to sue him, but check out the highlighted information near the bottom. From: anakata To: "Dorothy Sherman | GrayZone, Inc." Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2005 08:47: 36 +0200 On Thu, 2005-08-11 at 12:34 -0400, Dorothy Sherman | GrayZone, Inc. wrote: > First Notice of Infringement and Declaration It's always "First" with you guys. We are still eagerly awaiting the "Second" notice of your previous mail. Or do Warner only pay you enough to send one? > TO: PRQ Inet > Box 1206 > SE 11479 Stockholm > Sweden > Phone: +46 (0)73 9549748 > abuse@prq.se > abuse@port80.se > > > REGARDING: http://tracker.prq.to/announce > > IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL UNRELEASED AND UNAUTHORIZED MATERIAL IN > CONNECTION WITH DISTURBED "TEN THOUSAND FISTS". > > IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL TORRENT FILES AND TRACKERS IN CONNECTION > WITH DISTURBED's UNRELEASED MATERIAL PLANNED FOR RELEASE ON WARNER > BROS. RECORDS, INC. THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND ALL DISTURBED DOWNLOADS > MUST BE COMPLETELY REMOVED: > > Tracker announce: > http://tracker.prq.to/announce YOU MUST STOP USING RED UNDERLINED UPPERCASE HTML. Please? > (SEE BELOW) > > > WARNER BROS. RECORDS, INC. > > I, the undersigned, do solemnly and sincerely declare and CERTIFY > UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY that: > > 1. I am the owner or an agent authorized to act on behalf of the owner > of certain intellectual property rights, said owner being named WARNER > BROS. RECORDS, INC. ("IP Owner"). > > 2. I have a good faith belief that the materials identified in the > addendum attached hereto are not authorized by the above IP Owner, its > agent, or the law and therefore infringe the IP Ownerÿs rights > according to the laws of the (check all that apply): > > United States > Australia > Canada > EUR > France > Germany > Italy > Japan > Mexico > Netherlands > Russia > Sweden X > United Kingdom > All of the above X I have a feeling that (check all that apply) You are repeating yourself You are using a stupid form letter You didn't get my advice about writing in red, underlined and ALL CAPS text last time You have no clue regarding the technical or legal points of BitTorrent trackers All of the above X > Please act expeditiously to remove or disable access to the material > or items claimed to be infringing. Why would I disable a service used by literally millions of people because you _claim_ it infringes your rights? > 3. I may be contacted at: > > Printed Name: Dorothy Sherman > Title: Consultant > Company: Warner Bros. Records, Inc. > Address: 3300 Warner Blvd. > Burbank, CA 91505 > Attn: Susan Genco, Esq. > > Email (correspondence): GrayZone@rcn.com > Telephone: 212 946-1718 > > > You should understand that this letter constitutes notice to you that > the sale and/or other distribution of this product is unauthorized. > This letter > does not constitute a waiver of any right to recover damages incurred > by virtue of any such unauthorized activities, and such rights as well > as > claims for other relief are expressly retained. > > Finally, notwithstanding our use of the required notice form, we > believe that tracker.prq.to 's activities and services fall outside > the scope of the Digital Millennium Copyright Act ("DMCA"). Our use of > this form, as required by law, is meant to facilitate > tracker.prq.to 's removal of the infringing product listed above and > is not meant to suggest or imply that tracker.prq.to 's activities and > services are within the scope of the DMCA. > Is this notwithstanding the fact, that, as _previously stated, DMCA has no effect whatsoever on the activities of the site in question? > I make this declaration conscientiously, believing it to be true and > correct, and in accordance with the laws of each of the countries > listed > above. I am aware and agree that the contents of this statement may > be relied upon against me in any court or arbitration proceeding. > > Truthfully, At least now I'm sure you're not Pinochio, because if you were, your nose would've crashed into your monitor by now. > Dorothy Sherman > Digital Signature: Verisign > > > Date: 11 AUGUST 2005 > > Addendum to Notice of Infringement: > > List of Allegedly Infringing > Items Or Materials > > Name of Intellectual Property Owner: WARNER BROS. RECORDS, INC. > > IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL UNRELEASED AND UNAUTHORIZED MATERIAL IN > CONNECTION WITH DISTURBED "TEN THOUSAND FISTS". > > IMMEDIATELY REMOVE ALL TORRENT FILES AND TRACKERS IN CONNECTION > WITH DISTURBED's UNRELEASED MATERIAL PLANNED FOR RELEASE ON WARNER > BROS. RECORDS, INC. THE FOLLOWING LINKS AND ALL DISTURBED DOWNLOADS > MUST BE COMPLETELY REMOVED: > ...or else? It's a shame I already used the excellent /Team America/ reference in another response, because it would fit this one perfectly. > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:2af89634138e671ed797e8c4e83e13a99edcfeca Status:active > Category:Audio Date Added:07/28 Health:100% > Leechers:5 Seeders:6 Total Size:128MB > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:7ad2d5ea00d6997172dc32ac01000dfc4414a822 Status:active > Category:Audio Date Added:07/29 Health:100% > Leechers:13 Seeders:4 Total Size:103MB > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:37502b6665227f3296ff4607c09c6abcccb95362 Status:active > Category:Audio Date Added:07/29 Health:100% > Leechers:7 Seeders:16 Total Size:77MB > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:90666c1cc02a2d486383bb7face9140fb5db3c43 Status:active > Category:Audio Date Added:07/28 Health:100% > Leechers:1 Seeders:2 Total Size:78MB > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:5d51f93cf9df12c66839cfb2e71d4a8866368b97 Status:active > Category:Unsorted Date Added:07/29 Health:80% > Leechers:3 Seeders:X Total Size:1MB > > Announce URL:http://tracker.prq.to/announce > Hash:752ff89cd7a153b29e147bec40f4a6a20c9d730b Status:active > Category:Audio Date Added:07/28 Health:100% > Leechers:2 Seeders:X Total Size:78MB > Files: 18 [b]Do you actually claim to own the copyright of these 160 bit hash values? Since there is an infinite number of possible files that would produce the same hashes, would they also violate it?[/b] > > > > ================================================ > CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail message, and any attachments > thereto, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may > contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. Any > unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is strictly > prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the > sender by reply email and permanently delete all copies of the > original message. > ================================================ > Let me quote my previous response: "You should understand that your email and all further communication with us will be published at http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php , and that we will charge you for the web publishing and hosting services. Should I send the invoice to your address above?" So, where should I send the invoice? Our standard web publishing fee is 10E (or USD 15) per e-mail, plus an invoicing/S&H fee of 1E per invoice. If you decide to continue using our web publishing services, ask us about our great bulk rates! It does bring up an interesting legal implication... after all, torrents are just 160 bit hashes, inherently not containing any copyrighted data at all... of course, that doesn't solve the tracker problem, but it does mean that the torrents themselves are legal. And with the Distributed Database Network, that means that nobody ends up violating the law...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 How the heck does the RIAA/MPAA/US courts get away with making torrent sites pay when all they manage is the hashes, and those are often tracked anonymously (correct me if I'm wrong...). They often don't even give any bandwidth for transferring file packets! If a tracker gets only the hash (i.e. has no idea what file that hash is connected to), how can they be accused of facilitating? ... to look at it from a different direction, is it illegal to possess files with number sequences and file names containing titles of copyrighted works in them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foil Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 hmmm...P.O. box would be nice. I really don't like having to submit bank info and/or credit card info to paypal. Plus, any money orders that came by nites way could be used at nites discretion and not for MPAA use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamewinds Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 I'm in India. No previous financial transaction over the internet. I would like to contribute... but don't have a clue how.. Help? Flame Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteShdw Posted May 28, 2006 Share Posted May 28, 2006 Anyone is welcome to contact me directly. I do answer all the messages that come to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted May 30, 2006 Share Posted May 30, 2006 How the heck does the RIAA/MPAA/US courts get away with making torrent sites pay when all they manage is the hashes, and those are often tracked anonymously (correct me if I'm wrong...). They often don't even give any bandwidth for transferring file packets! If a tracker gets only the hash (i.e. has no idea what file that hash is connected to), how can they be accused of facilitating? ... to look at it from a different direction, is it illegal to possess files with number sequences and file names containing titles of copyrighted works in them? There's an old joke: Where does an 800 pound gorilla sit? Answer: Anywhere he wants to. Think of the em-pee-aye-aye as an 8000 pound gorilla ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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