Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Gone is the game that would put you in control of a starfleet vessel with ships and crew at your command, gone also is the realistic look of the federation ships as seen here.. http://www.startrek-online.net/vgallery/files/1/akira1.jpg http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060221/final_01.jpg http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060221/final_02.jpg http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060221/final_03.jpg I submit for your perusal the NEW STOnline... where the ships are hubs with generic bridges, and home to the WoW player.. cartoon aliens only, need apply! http://www.startrekonline.com/devlog/viewimage.php?IntScreen.jpg :( (Genuine screenshot!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I've got to admit, if that last screenshot is an actual screenshot from the game with those lines spoken by the opponent and the game is generally like that, then I think I'd rather play WoW then STO. Those lines s#cked! And what race was that guy anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 It is real... that's the newly released screenshot from perpetual. http://www.neowin.net/news/gamers/07/12/06/first-in-game-screenshot-of-star-trek-online As for the race.. he's a Cartoonian from Cartoonia 4 (Cartoonia 3 was destroyed in a war with the Animatoids) (;)) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Looks great in my opinion, I hope I have a job when it comes out so I can afford to play it. I think the great thing about Star Trek is that on the most part its fan base are sensible people. I dont think one will find a whole bunch of 12 year olds here, besides I`ll be using my superior knowledge of the shows to outwit the bastards. What kind of parents can afford to pay for their children to play for these online games, parents who prefer not to pay for child minders? All those early screen shots are re-rendered, no way would it ever look that good. For the record I hate WOW graphics, reminds me of disney land crossed with dungeons and dragons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 All those early screen shots are re-rendered, no way would it ever look that good. Nope, it was said at the time that those were the graphics for the interiors that were being used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 Uh... there isn't really enough of anything there to pass judgement on. Let me go have a look at what wiki says... Sounds a bit of a bore, really. Confined to Starfleet? I think the problem here is, EVERYONE will want to be Jimmy the captain and naturally, it'll be the bores that spend 50 hours a day grinding away to amass the XP that get there first and then ruin it for everyone. However, the fact that the developer just got taken over by a non-gaming company and supposedly, several staff have left... I'd not be holding my breath for this game to be out any time soon... barring the ol' Star Wars: Galaxies approach of sticking a half-baked product out on the market, just because you know your slavering fanbase would crawl over broken glass to buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 several staff have left... Including Mike Okuda. half-baked product out on the market, just because you know your slavering fanbase would crawl over broken glass to buy it. Yep, yep, yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 You have to trust me those shots are re-rendered.........just like they were for Star Wars Galaxies. I dont think SWG was a bad game, they just messed it up with the combat update and listened to the needs of crying twelve year olds who wanted to be jedi in 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 You have to trust me those shots are re-rendered........ Well, I can only go with what the releases said at the time. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I've never heard of "re-rendered" I've heard of pre-rendered and as you've said re-rendered twice, I'll assume that they are different things and not a typo... Is it just doing the biz on existing game scenes? To be honest, you can cheap a LOT in screenshots without having to do anything fancy... Crysis - to cite a recent example - can look almost photorealistic in some instances at full tilt... getting that to run on your average PC during a big fire fight however... To be honest though, for a game to look as nice and shiny as those screenshots wouldn't be so difficult -besides if you look at the Overseer DoucheB'g screenshot, you can see that the quality of the ship is sufficient that it hasn't been rendered... frankly, the graphics there are probably less impressive than some of the Homeworld 2 mods I've seen. I can see the problem with the game being the division of space vs. ground combat. Also, not being able to destroy ships? That sucks. Where's the satisfaction there? "Oh, Captain we just hit a killing blow to the USS Exploder!" "Is it dead?" "No, it's just very badly burned." I'm sure it's a pain to have you ship crippled and then have to get it towed to spacedock but I think that you're kind of removing excitement if you know - hey, no matter what... the ship will be fine! Although, as I've said - it's really far too early to even speculate about gameplay dynamics. I'd love to see a game where you could have involved combined arms on planets and in space but really, I don't think there's a snowball in hell's chance this game will see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I define re-rendering as essentially a screen shot where the lighting and shadows of the 3D models have been redone so what in fact you get is a screen shot that looks nothing like what you see in game. I must say this game looks very child like.........clearly the market research has not been done in regard to the potential player base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted December 7, 2007 Author Share Posted December 7, 2007 I define re-rendering as essentially a screen shot where the lighting and shadows of the 3D models have been redone so what in fact you get is a screen shot that looks nothing like what you see in game. So it's NOT actually the artwork you are talking about... lighting and shadows can certainly be handled by the engine and WOULDN'T neccssarly look drastically different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted December 7, 2007 Share Posted December 7, 2007 I was talking about the likes of this: http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20060221/final_01.jpg I assumed they were from a Beta which has now been shelved in favour of Disney characters. Ok this is a pre-rendered screen shot from Star Wars Galaxies. It doesnt matter what spec your machine was, it could never achieve this simply because the code wasnt there to create this level of lighting and shadow. The reality of what the game looked like with out the re-rendering: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Yeah, they're a bunch of lying and cheating marketers. Brag about what the game can do, all the features it'll have... and then in their desire to rush the game out - it's a pile of carp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted December 9, 2007 Share Posted December 9, 2007 Tenebrae........I think you've hit the nail square on the head there. What a shame that all the young game players swallow it and games magazine talk about those screenies like they are actually real to make the whole marketing campaign more believable. Of course the magazines and websites arent making any money out of this......or are they? Even game video's are faked, not just the screen shots......Galaxies was yet another example of this. Some even go to the extent of building one level of the most brilliant game ever, then when the game is released, its nothing like what you saw at the games show. But we were dumn enough to buy the product based on the fake visuals. Its a conspiracy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 10, 2007 Share Posted December 10, 2007 Conspiracy would imply that it was secret and organised... it's neither. I'd also say that developers are less to blame. It's usually the publishers (yeah, their marketing department) who want things out for a certain date... I assume this is because the longer a project is in development - the more you have to pay people and who wants t to make a good product when money is at stake? I stopped buying magazines a long time ago because I got bored of reading the opinions of people who were inflated with self-importance and corporate bribes, reviewing special beta versions of a game they spent five minutes on. Videos are pretty easy to fake, play the game on some bleeding edge machine - settings to the max and if it lags or goes slow, just edit the video so all your pretty people fly around in a way no mortal computer can ever expect to show them do but then, that's nothing new. Film trailers cut together the best parts of a film to make it look like a solid 90 minutes of action, shampoo commercials encourage women to believe they'll be having orgasms and beer tries to convey itself as something that will attract women, fame and fortune - which is at best a half-truth. If games are overhyped, it's simply because that's the nature of commercialism. You wouldn't expect Halo 3's extensive ad campaign to say "Probably pretty good but not totally awesome, y'know?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaktar Posted December 19, 2007 Share Posted December 19, 2007 All those early screen shots are re-rendered, no way would it ever look that good. Nope, it was said at the time that those were the graphics for the interiors that were being used. I hate for this to be my first post here but....it was NEVER said that those were the interiors that were being used. What WAS said was that those were in engine screenshots not in game screenshots. I realize how you could get them confused, but they are entirely different. You have to realize that the game is still not even in beta. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnifex Posted January 15, 2008 Author Share Posted January 15, 2008 All those early screen shots are re-rendered, no way would it ever look that good. Nope, it was said at the time that those were the graphics for the interiors that were being used. I hate for this to be my first post here but....it was NEVER said that those were the interiors that were being used. What WAS said was that those were in engine screenshots not in game screenshots. I realize how you could get them confused, but they are entirely different. You have to realize that the game is still not even in beta. I think you should go back and read the press release.. that was the direction the art was taking... that's why the community was so stoked about it.. Anyway, it's all a moot point now.. the game is dead. http://www.warcry.com/articles/view/breakingnews/2802-Breaking-News-P2-Out-As-Star-Trek-Online-Developer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Good, I`m glad this game got canned. The last thing the fanchise needs is another disaster. Let us have a Trek game and let us make it 'high brow'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 15, 2008 Share Posted January 15, 2008 Well, while I'm sad the game is no longer in development, I'm really hoping a new one will started, or at least a better ST: Online will be developed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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