gjnave Posted September 4, 2006 Share Posted September 4, 2006 just do more of the same thing... new and interesting aliens... good concepts .... entertaining tv that you can watch with the family Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 4, 2006 Author Share Posted September 4, 2006 New aliens - you kidding me? Aliens of the week are what got Trek into the horrible mess it's in. There are probably more sentient species in the alpha quadrant than there are species of beetles. Sadly, I doubt that good sci-fi - as I imagine it - will be family viewing. Trek was never really heavy sci-fi though. Why change the habits of a life time though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubix Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 1. Too many humans in Starfleet. 2. When something happens on Earth, including visits, time travel, crashes, characters (even historical) it (almost) always takes place in US. 3. Humans always have the highest ranks (captain, first officer etc.). 4. Discontinuity. Is anyone making the show concerned with it? 5. Technologies that would change the Star Trek world but never used again. 6. How could the Kazon and Ceska continuesly encounter Voyager if Voyager was always heading in one direction and on a faster ship? 7. Wesley Crusher. 8. Spatial anomalies. Enough of them! 9. Away missions. Always senior officers. Other crewmember when they need to get killed or hurt. Even for a rescure or combat mission they send chief security officer, chief engineer (!), science officer (!), captain (!!!). 10. Alien species with no cultural differences among their own people, like it is here, on Earth. They even dress simlarly, sometimes even all in the same colors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Data Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 3. Humans always have the highest ranks (captain, first officer etc.). 6. How could the Kazon and Ceska continuesly encounter Voyager if Voyager was always heading in one direction and on a faster ship? 3. The President of the federation was not human (this was seen in Star Trek film 6, The undiscovered country) so not all humans got the highest ranks and on a DS9 Episode then we see a Vulcan Captain and on many other episodes.... 6. The Kazons encounted Voyager many times because Janeway explored the Delta place by stopping to nevly every friendly planet and checking out star clusters and sightseeing :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjnave Posted September 5, 2006 Share Posted September 5, 2006 The president of the federation is an alien during DS9 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hubix Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 3. Humans always have the highest ranks (captain, first officer etc.). 6. How could the Kazon and Ceska continuesly encounter Voyager if Voyager was always heading in one direction and on a faster ship? 3. The President of the federation was not human (this was seen in Star Trek film 6, The undiscovered country) so not all humans got the highest ranks and on a DS9 Episode then we see a Vulcan Captain and on many other episodes.... 6. The Kazons encounted Voyager many times because Janeway explored the Delta place by stopping to nevly every friendly planet and checking out star clusters and sightseeing :P 3. I meant purely Starfleet. Most of captains are humans. At least those we encounter on TV ;) 6. And the Kazon did nothing else but following Voyager ;) DS9 is the place where continuity is expected, so is TNG because they fly back and forward. But no in Voyager, they just move on every time and there aren't many ships in the Delta Quadrant that could keep up with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted September 11, 2006 Share Posted September 11, 2006 I thought the Kazon followed Voyager cause of Seska - she wanted to capture Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 11, 2006 Author Share Posted September 11, 2006 I think the real problem is that - as a season corresponds to about a year - you essentially had them chasing Voyager for TWO YEARS. Even given Janeway's inability to travel toward the Alpha Quadrant for five minutes without detouring or stopping, that seems like an awful long way to go and there's no indication that the Kazon were in continous pursuit... in fact, quite the opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 Weren't the Kazon after them since the very first EP. Didn't they (with Neelix) rescue Kes from the Kazon in the Caretaker two-parter? c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 12, 2006 Author Share Posted September 12, 2006 I'm no sure "after" is the right word... they have run ins and they kind of imply they're moving through Kazon territory and it was just Seska and her Kazon buds that were chasing Voyager... but then, they obviously weren't always in Kazon territory and then by season 3 they'd moved on to the aliens of the week and/or the Borg. Although, with the Borg them popping up all the time made sense - they had transwarp. The Kazon were the Star Trek equivalent of a bunch of rednecks in a pickup truck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 I never understood how they were so lacking in water but had interstellar ships, it only makes sense if for some reason the particular faction in Caretaker had trouble getting anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tablet Posted September 12, 2006 Share Posted September 12, 2006 1. space...is big, but its only 2 dimensionable, the ships mus'int have a Z-axis 2. Voyagers crew compliment - talk about script writers who didn't work together 3. The Borg's 'transformation' from TNG to VOY 4. Voyagers warp core changing colour freom season 1 to 2 - purple with gold and blue bits to just blue 5. whenever theres a cataclismic power failure no one ever says 'oh why dont we use the power form the shuttle crafts, they have warp engines, why not use them' 6. Sound in space - personal gripe 7. The universal translator works even when the away team have there communicators destroyed (VOY Time and again) 8. The profits - anything to do with religion is a big no no, you'd think 'sentient' species would outgrow the need to hold on to such trivial - dangerous baliefs 9. Saavik (MARK II) not a scratch on the original 10. The fact that ENT didn't do the romulan war for season 3 and the writers decided to make they're own little war which in my opinion was painful to watch - the biggest low of Trek in my opinion Nice to get that off my chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 16, 2006 Author Share Posted September 16, 2006 Did Voyager's warp core change colour? It's been a while since I saw the first season... I only remember the blue. As to shuttlecraft - well, I think that is something DS9 was guilty of and TNG to an extent. I mean "our transporters are down!" well, uh - how about the ones you have on ALL the shuttlecraft. That kind of attention to detail made Data's death seem pretty stupid. As to sound in space... well, I think 99% of TV shows do it and it's not because writers don't know know that (although, given the quality of some sci-fi you wonder if the people writing it even know what gravity is) there is no sound in a vacuum... it's just that the plebs will go "WHY IS THERE NO SOUND!" TOS originally adhered to the silent combat (apparently) but then conceded to the requirements of network television. The stupidest thing about universal translators is that they seem to be psychic. In the VOY episode the 39ers or whatever. They seemed capable of translating multiple languages, both ways at the same time... but everyone heard only their language. Which struck me as very stupid. The Ferengi solution was much better and didn't lead to such silliness. Also the fact that Klingon words etc. never get translated into an English equivalent. The Prophets manipulating the Bajorans was the usual talk gibberish and hope people think it's cool. The closest we got to an explanation "we are of Bajor". Great. I really don't know why Berman and Braga were so adamant to avoid the Romulan war. Probably because they had grown to loathe the fanbase so much that they wanted to just spite them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted September 18, 2006 Share Posted September 18, 2006 I'm no sure "after" is the right word... they have run ins and they kind of imply they're moving through Kazon territory and it was just Seska and her Kazon buds that were chasing Voyager... but then' date=' they obviously weren't always in Kazon territory and then by season 3 they'd moved on to the aliens of the week and/or the Borg. Although, with the Borg them popping up all the time made sense - they had transwarp. The Kazon were the Star Trek equivalent of a bunch of rednecks in a pickup truck.[/quote'] LOL. Nicely put! Yeah, with those scruffy hairdos, they did look like some kind of space faring rednecks. c4 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyBob Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I think Enterprise ruined Star Trek, I mean they completely screwed up everything that was already established... At least don't name the ship Enterprise!!!! And there was wayyy too much time travelling in ENT.... The solution to anything not making sense is always time travel! Why not just cut the crap and make a series called: "Star Trek: Travelling to whenever" At least they apparently explained the flat-headed Klingons... (Not quite sure, I stopped watching after the the third season finale) Also, the Romulans were never used enough IMO... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Yeah, ENT didn't help with all the time travel EPs (and I like time travel). Even my favorite 2-parter (the MU EPs) screwed things up. You know how during one Trek show or another someone will mention some importand person from the past (IE: Efrem Cochran) who made a substantial contribution to the Federation? Well, in the MU EPs they talked up Archer to a high degree but of course we never heard Kirk or anyone from TOS mention Archer. That, my friend, is one of Trek's main failings...CONTINUITY. Now I know the writers can't go back in time and fix things like that...but hell man, give us fans a bit of credit. We WILL pick out the small things. We are NOT idiots. EDIT: Oh...and welcome to the forum CrazyBob! :) c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyBob Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Thanks! I actually only found this site a few days ago.... what a great community :) Anyways, I completely agree with you... And once again, I think naming the ship Enterprise was a huge mistake... If there's one thing that every trek fan knows, it's the different Enterprises, from NCC-1701 to NCC-1701E... The NX-01 doesn't fit in to that list... They should have just called the ship "The NX-01" I think the original concept for ENT was good, I've always been curious about the beginning of the Federation and Starfleet... But they really didn't go into the stories that the fans wanted to see... Gene would be dissapointed... (to tell you the truth, I didn't even know Enterprise was a Star Trek show until season 2 :P - and I'm a hardcore ST fan...) EDIT: On a side note, I really think they should have done an episode of ENT with Section 31... It's existed since the beginning of Starfleet, no? :P (and where were they during the Xindi crisis??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 19, 2006 Author Share Posted September 19, 2006 The funny thing is that if you watch the credits, they had someone working on continuity - though I suspect that is meant in a "Geordie isn't on the bridge and being tortured by Romulans at a conference" sense rather than " The real issue with time travel is that - unlike it's inbred cousin alternate universes - it actually requires some thought if it's going to not seem stupid or contradictory. Thought is something that was quite absent from Enterprise... the Temporal Cold War was such a bore. Actually, I think that in some ways it was kind of like the whole Emissary thing in DS9. Occasionally you have the Captain dragged off, a load of meaningless nonsense that is obviously supposed to sound deep and meaningful is spewed out and then the Captain gets thrown back - and naturally, at the right time these interventions will prove either helpful OR perilous - sometimes both, sometimes just filler. While Enterprise wasn't... blatantly violating continuity too much... there really isn't any excuse for the Xindi war. While it was generally more interesting - though the Xindi as an enemy appeared so stupid and bungling they were laughable - than the first two seasons, I am still baffled as to why Berman and Braga didn't do the Romulan/Earth war. I've speculated that the only reason is probably spite. Personally, I think the ideal solution for Enterprise would have been if the whole Temporal Cold War had actually wrapped up by meaning that the NX-01 was delayed again or something and never launched - hence allowing Kirk to remain the real first Enterprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyBob Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 Well doing the Romulan/Earth war in Enterprise would have been kind of pointless, cause according to what we all know and accept, humans and romulans don't see eachother (they only communicate over radio) until TOS... Also, I'm pretty sure that the years for the Romulan War in the StarTrek timeline are sometime after ENT would have finished it's 7th season... And finally, I wonder if they aren't keeping the Romulan - Earth war for something bigger, maybe a feature film? :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Data Posted September 19, 2006 Share Posted September 19, 2006 I think Enterprise ruined Star Trek, I mean they completely screwed up everything that was already established... At least don't name the ship Enterprise!!!! And there was wayyy too much time travelling in ENT.... The solution to anything not making sense is always time travel! Why not just cut the crap and make a series called: "Star Trek: Travelling to whenever" At least they apparently explained the flat-headed Klingons... (Not quite sure, I stopped watching after the the third season finale) Also, the Romulans were never used enough IMO... :P you should watch finish the ENT series, After season 3 it begins to get better. Watch the Mirror Universe episodes in season 4 they are the best in ENT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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