wahaha Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Sorry to destroy your love affair with bush, but he's an IDIOT, and so are his staffers and cabinet members. He can't run a company (oil), let alone a country. This from a man who graduated from Harvard AND Yale!? (below middle of his class) He's OVEREDUCATED and still can't do his job. He lets others do the hard thinking for him, then he makes the wrong decision. He's also got a lot of buddies in the oil industry including the now screwed ENRON. You know where his kickbacks come from. He has plenty of money, which means he can pay his own way and SHOULD. If he wants to fly someplace, he should pay for it, not the taxpayers. Better yet, he can just sit in the Oval office in a vegetable mental state and see everything from TV monitors. He doesn't need to be there personally, because we all know he doesn't give a pigs' anus about anything. He's a draft dodger, and has no concept of war, let alone how to win one. His "intelligence" was wrong, and it's costing us money and lives and we've gained nothing in return. I don't care about republican/democrat crap. This guy is a boob as a human being and is the wrong man for the job. He has NO energy policy despite what he claims, and we're hurting for it now. He wants to drill for more oil? What the hell for? So we can keep on wasting it at our current rate with slightly lower prices? That's not conservation. I refuse to listen to a man speak about energy concerns, when he drives a ford f-350 on a ranch that he doesn't need or use. "We've got to get us an energy plan." â€â€ÂBush, during the same speech, Feb. 4, 2005. Source: White House web site, Feb. 4, 2005 "So for the students here, take heart in this concept. He gets a Ph.D. I get Cs. I'm the President and he's the advisor." â€â€ÂWhile discussing Social Security on a college campus, Bush makes note of the education gap between himself and a professor/advisor to the administration. (White House, "President Discusses Strengthening Social Security in Iowa", March 30, 2005) http://www.rotten.com/library/bio/presidents/george-w-bush/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 The first and last word on the oil economy, on power, on alternatives is by Roberts in his book The End of Oil http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0618239774/103-3671584-5056652?v=glance Read it, get educated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Lets not forget that the US was involved (out of fear of communism) in the overthrow of the Iraq government that put the Baath party and then Saddam in power. Donald Rumsfeld even sold Saddam weapons of mass destruction including mustard gas, sarin, 14 viruses including west nile. The material UN inspectors found years ago was traced back to US companies. The thousands of iraqi's that died under Saddam died from US weapons. Wikipedia: US providing Iraq with weapons for Iran war Rumsfeld & Saddam CIA involvement in Baath coup Having an ally would gauruntee access to oil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Lets not forget that the US was involved (out of fear of communism) in the overthrow of the Iraq government that put the Baath party and then Saddam in power. Donald Rumsfeld even sold Saddam weapons of mass destruction including mustard gas' date=' sarin, 14 viruses including west nile. The material UN inspectors found years ago was traced back to US companies. The thousands of iraqi's that died under Saddam died from US weapons.[/quote'] You know why he did that, sell weapons i mean? Beacuse at the time they where our allies. Allies come and go and we are at war with them now, beacuse they attked The USA. And dont worry wahaha i havent lost faith in bush. He may have had a few bumps along his presidency but he IS the right man for the job. And what do you mean that he is a draft dogger? he served in the natinal guard...... And also what do you mean that his "inteligence was wrong"? if you are refering to the WMDs, just beacuse they wherent built doesnt mean that it coulndt be built. We found about every thing there that is needed to make WMDs. But this is a gas thread so i will just end this here b/c i am gonna get in trouble for keeping on this trail of thought. So i bid you fair well. You can believe your misguided false info if you want but i am a born Republican, i will always be a republican as long as that party stays vigilant in its belifes. But as i said. I think gas will not go above 6 dollars a gallon. If so then OPEC will lose its number one buyer and i am sure that America will convince more than a few governments to leave them as well. WE just need to drill in Alaska. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 What we need is not to drill anywhere. We NEED to find something other than oil to power our vehicles and cities. But in the meantime we NEED a President who has the brains in his head to do what is necessary to lower fuel consumption which will lower prices while we IMPLEMENT an alternative fuel source. Bush has not done that. His policy of more drilling is all he can come up with, and it's not the answer. That's why it hasn't been approved. The price of gas just went up in Indonesia. Riots ensued. It was the equivalent of .74 cents a gallon before. Now it's $1.60. It's like KFC in China charging US prices for food that is worse and unhealthy compared to what you can eat for free or less money if you knew where to get it. The oil companies are going to go down fighting for the last penny. I feel sorry for the people there and all over who will need fuel to heat their homes this winter. I however have a woodstove, and it works a hell of a lot better than a gas furnace. The automakers are unwilling to change fuel efficiency, so they are being forced to hurriedly find an alternative, inexhaustible fuel source. Who cares if your next car gets 1 mpg, we've got the whole ocean or universe for a fuel source. That's their mentality right now. If they just keep digging, they'll never run out and can keep the population in their deep pockets. It just shows how INefficient, uninspired, and greedy the human race is. You build something with 4 thin walls and more horsepower than you need and see where it gets you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 The automakers are unwilling to change fuel efficiency, so they are being forced to hurriedly find an alternative, inexhaustible fuel source. Who cares if your next car gets 1 mpg, we've got the whole ocean or universe for a fuel source. That's their mentality right now. If they just keep digging, they'll never run out and can keep the population in their deep pockets. read this artical. This is proof that you obvioulsy just took some ones word for the matter instead of researching it, (a common democratic ploy) and until the year 2025 we have other alternitives for gas, and if those fall through the roof, then the oil in alaska will provide America with enough gas until we can put the new technology to use. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Bah. All this misinformed opinion in this thread. If you read Roberts' book, you will see that hydrogen has its own set of problems. You will also see that fuel cells do too. There is no current "answer" and what were seeing is a continuation of the oil economy while it remains cheap and avilable. The "answer" requires alot more research and funding for the hopefuls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 I say we built a Dyson Sphere! ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxtrot Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 price of gas is going to go down, no i cant say why, and no im not full of myself... Buy some mobil stock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Bah. All this misinformed opinion in this thread. If you read Roberts' book, you will see that hydrogen has its own set of problems. You will also see that fuel cells do too. America and other super powers have hired the top scientist in the world. The big three car companies GM, Ford, Chevey have all spent billions of dollars researching this. What does this guy say about fuel cells that wont work, and what about this hydrogen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 at least us europeans tend to use smaller engined cars (between 1400cc and 2000cc) coz there to damn expensive to run owt larger on both fuel and insurance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZaphodiLe Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Gas prices in sweden is ~6 US$/gallon right now. About 2/3 taxes I think. I know one thing, and that is that I'm never ever going to buy a car run on gasoline... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted October 1, 2005 Share Posted October 1, 2005 Bah. All this misinformed opinion in this thread. If you read Roberts' book, you will see that hydrogen has its own set of problems. You will also see that fuel cells do too. There is no current "answer" and what were seeing is a continuation of the oil economy while it remains cheap and avilable. The "answer" requires alot more research and funding for the hopefuls. Sorry but reading one person's opinion does not necesarilly make you informed. He could have an agenda for saying alterntive fuel technology is flawed. What are some of the problems that Robert's has outlined? From what I have seen the technology is ready to go. The hydrogen can be produced using sunlight without converting to electricity, and there is an efficient hydrogen storage method that doesnt involve using high pressure gas cylinders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Theres no mystery about the problems with fuel cells and Hydrogen, and whats Roberts has said certainly isnt unique to him about them. Roberts has been widely praised for a balanced and sobre look at the situation with the oil economy. Hydrogen. Storage and conveyance is a nightmare. The energy density of the fuel is very poor. Solar panels. Third generation panels show promise but until they are widely available the current generation simply have a cost per watt that is too high against other alternatives. Fuel Cells. Economically similar to the Dot Com era around 2000. An overnight fad that gave far too many promises and hype in an unreasonably short amount of time. The technology is interesting but it clearly needs more development and time. It simply is not reliable enough with the current lifespan of the device and it currently is too expensive in comparison to otto cycle engines. Many companies went broke in a similar way to the dot com bubble bursting and its largely now seen as a significantly longer term proposition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 To me those all seem like opinoins. I dont see any proof or examples to go by. How do I know that he is not just saying this to get his name heard. and if he is so big and praised then why havent I heard of him when I researched this thread? Now yes, I am not throwing out his opinion on the matter b/c from what I hear there might actualy BE a problem. But we are still a few years from this technology being tossed in to every car. If these problems do exist then i am sure that the world will fix it b 4 it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 Go and read his book for the details. A few sentences from me wont present the data and evidence you need to know. Its not his opinion, its scientific fact and this is exactly what I mean about people needing to get educated and overcome misinformed opinion. Look into the energy density of hydrogen. Look into the efficiency of first and second generation solar cells. Look into the current longeivty of hydrogen fuel cells and compare that to the average longevity of otto cycle engines. There is other technologies youve probably never heard of, such as special algea strains that produce hydrogen and could possibly be commercialised in giant vats. The short of it is none of these technologies is an immediate solution and this is why political leaders are continuing to use whats left of the oil because to change to something else is going to be an *immensely* unpopular change to socities that no one wants to suffer from. And the economic impact......you have to understand that energy is the basis of any economy and a lack of energy could force a global depression the like of which we have never seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted October 2, 2005 Share Posted October 2, 2005 some interesting points there. Some developments locally here have addressed a couple of issues with hydrogen at least with regards to storage in saturated metal. The more efficient hydrogen production methods that requires only sunlight hopefully can be setup relatively cheaply at people's homes. With any luck in the long run people can save. I'd be curious to know exactly how much various governments are providing for further research into these and other technologies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyMan Posted October 5, 2005 Share Posted October 5, 2005 Gas maybe $6 or a little less Oil, coal is the past we need to move on and find a better cleaner way to power oour homes and cars. Start saving the world for our kids and not just live it for our selfs today... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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