Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Janeway was a pretty inconsistent. One week she's punishing people for violating the Prime Directive, next week she's going out of her way to violate it herself and of course let's not forget her flagrant violation of the Temporal Prime Directive to save ONE person. I'd love to have seen her court martialed to breaking for that. Personally though, my theory is that they made Janeway an admiral to keep her out of trouble. Make sure she's locked up in an office and buried under paperwork so she can't strand another bunch of people in some far flung corner of the galaxy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Janeway was a pretty inconsistent. One week she's punishing people for violating the Prime Directive, next week she's going out of her way to violate it herself and of course let's not forget her flagrant violation of the Temporal Prime Directive to save ONE person. I'd love to have seen her court martialed to breaking for that. Personally though, my theory is that they made Janeway an admiral to keep her out of trouble. Make sure she's locked up in an office and buried under paperwork so she can't strand another bunch of people in some far flung corner of the galaxy. Janeway says her top priority is to her crew but that really wasn't the case - the Prime Dircetive was her main priority and she quite often put that above the lives of her crew. And yet she disobey's the Prime Directive to endanger more people (Counseor Troy - your needed in the Ready Room) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Yes - well, if you've read the wiki entry (as I did today, in passing) it says that Ronald D. Moore (now of galactica) has gone on the record as saying that people were basically ignoring clearly stated character traits and background simply for the convenience of it. I don't think you could sum up better how that worked out TFMF - one minute she'll be saying (as in the first episode) "I'll do anything to get you guys home!" then next week it's "Let's check out a black hole!" Anyone as erratic a captain as Janeway would likely have had a mutiny. Personally, I think that the Equinox might have been a much more interesting story. You never got the impression people had it tough on Voyager. The hardest they ever had it was not having coffee or having to stomach neelix's food. The Equinox people weren't pleasure cruising it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I know - the Voyeger crew acted as if they were just on some routine mission - they were so calm and after about the first 2 episodes it was like - "so i was gonna try out this new holodeck program tonight - wanna come along" You'l find little difference in the way the crew of Voyager acted to the way the Enterprise Crew acted in TNG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
netshark Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 How should they have reacted and behaved? Depressed the whole expected 70 years until home? They accepted their condition and tried to solve it constructively, and didnt had sorrows all the time, which makes it only harder to change sth. But its right that they didnt go that straight to reach their aim: home. Probably their hoped to find something with their investigations that shortened their distance - like a wormhole. So their course was like a compromise between getting home straight or finding ways to shorten that way, but with the risk of losing even more time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 It's just they accepted the fact that they were 70 years from home very very well -Too well in fact - they just went about there buisness as if it was normal - it just wasn't realistic - I mean they left there families and all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 I'm with TFMF, for a bunch of people alone and stuck years away from home with a deranged captain that willfully ignores ways to get home, people seemed pretty chipper. Despite regular abduction, attacks and so on for seven years - no one ever seems edgy or upset or in the slightest bit worried... that's what you get when your characters are so undefined though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 18, 2005 Share Posted October 18, 2005 Voyager was a good show to watch - but the more you watch it the more you notcice those little errors and think - It would have been better if.... I don't think DS9 had this problem or at least not to as great an extent anyway or TNG for that matter - they just kinda got lazy in Voyager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 18, 2005 Author Share Posted October 18, 2005 yeah, after hearing other ppl comment on Jane way, i noticed that when i watch VOY i see how stupid the some of her desisons where. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Does it seem to people like writers are getting less and less good at creating good, well-rounded characters? Voyager, what I've seen of it, seems to demonstrate as much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 garak for character and worf for storylines, tho i liked the character development that bashir went thru from neive graduate to experienced officer. his first few eps had some classic lines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 I'd agree ifilmco, it does seem like with each season they slipped further... I mean, I say that Voyager had a pretty undeveloped crew but really what can we say about the crew of the NX-01? Malcolm's personality traits - likes pineapples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Like pineapples....that has got to be a new one on me hehe.... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I'd agree ifilmco' date=' it does seem like with each season they slipped further... I mean, I say that Voyager had a pretty undeveloped crew but really what can we say about the crew of the NX-01? Malcolm's personality traits - likes pineapples.[/quote'] yeah i agree - but Enterprise was better in some respects compared to Voyager i think - actually Malcolm was about the only character we didn't learn much about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phabianh20 Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I would have to say Q, Data, Phlox. Q episodes are always good. Vote for worst character Evil Black Blob (Skin of Evil TNG 1x23). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Are you sure? Let's see... - He is the son of a navy officer and therefore very hard on hiself - He is quite pessimistic - He was once a member of section 31 and still has some "obligations" as he calls it. So, there is a lot more to him than pineapples (besides, I liked that idea behind this little gag). I bet that Manny Coto would have continued the interesting revelations about Reed and the section 31 in the later seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 Are you sure? Let's see... - He is the son of a navy officer and therefore very hard on hiself - He is quite pessimistic - He was once a member of section 31 and still has some "obligations" as he calls it. So, there is a lot more to him than pineapples (besides, I liked that idea behind this little gag). I bet that Manny Coto would have continued the interesting revelations about Reed and the section 31 in the later seasons. Yes we do KNOW this but we don't know much of the history about it. I mean - take Trip - he lost his sister - and we had all that emotional pain and stuff. So although we know the stuff about Malcolm - we don't understand it and there isn't much to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I would have to say Q' date=' Data, Phlox. Q episodes are always good. Vote for worst character Evil Black Blob (Skin of Evil TNG 1x23).[/quote'] Create a new topic if you are going to vote for the Worset Character Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 and we had all that emotional pain and stuff. Trip had a few aggressive lines against Degra and Xindie in general and eventually cried about 20 episodes later over loss of his sister. In the meantime - what Elisabeth? You get my point ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I think that since Worst Character is intrinsically related to Best Character, it doesn't necessarily warrant its own topic...especially because said topic would just consist of a bunch of rants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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