maverick Posted March 12, 2006 Share Posted March 12, 2006 i ahve at one time or another on this board rattled on about the inability of humans to move on in the world and find peace. my theory is that unless human nature can change then is a trek type future possible. what do we do wrong? why do we do it? can we change? what have we learned but do not pay attention to? are we takin the right course in behavin as we are? in the west. are we on the right side? (i.e. are our causes just?) what battles should we be fighting and how do we stop doin it all wrong, if indeed we are doin it wrong? have a good day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 The human race is doomed to repeat it's mistakes (IMHO). The more things change, the more they remain the same... c4 :thinking: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 13, 2006 Share Posted March 13, 2006 Star Trek represented a rather unrealistic transition, a lot of the time they just go "Oh, well - space travel and then everything became ok!" And then we're supposed to be believe that somehow hardwired instinct forged by thousands of generations of evolution(or God's shoddy workmanship if you're a creationist) are basically magically going to disappear because we can whiz through space faster than light? Of course, it represents an ideaological aspiration more than anything. But yes, I agree with c4evap. Humanity isn't changing and shows that demonstrate that are far more interesting to watch. Sure it would be nice to think that humanity could improve but really, despite the ebb and flow of civilisation, the liberalisation of many countries, human rights etc. fundamentally, very little has changed. People still do bad things to one another etc. There's no reason to believe that one day that will magically change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amnot Borg Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 They never stopped murder and robbery in the world of Star Trek on an individual basis as it did occur and usually when different species met, culturally, in the Federation it seemed to be a non-entity though. Perhaps, it was just easier to do without those things with no money and social changes making most crimes of passion simply impossible or unnecessary? Evolution seems to be the only logical method of things changing for humanity but prayer has been known to work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted March 14, 2006 Share Posted March 14, 2006 What about Sutter (spelling?) on Voyager. He was federation and he was murdering people. c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 He was a mentalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 If you mean a Betazoid...and you are correct...I forgot that. I sit corrected (too tired to stand). c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 Thinking about it - that whole incident was VERY similar to the TNG episode that also had a partially Betazoid murderer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted March 15, 2006 Share Posted March 15, 2006 They're a race of nutters, obviously. I do think that the reason there was so little crime in the federation, was because there was no real advantage to theft, which there is at this point in time. When you look at Trek Earth, the people there are all on the same level, so there isn't any real need for theft. I suppose people just don't get into crime on Earth, but I'm sure crimes of passion, such as murders or violence in a flash of rage are still possible in the Trek Earth. These would be quite rare though. Also, with people not getting on to the sliperly slope of social decline there would be no people, which there are now, who either steal for a living, or because they're disadvantaged etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted March 15, 2006 Author Share Posted March 15, 2006 interestinly the crime rates are never reported and the average federation citizen is not given air time. the closest i can think of is bashir's dad who goes to prison for having bashir genetically enahanced. maybr everything is free but its not just posessions that make a crook a crook. thats why i brought up human nature some people may simply be pre-disposed to become a criminal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 If you're predisposed to be a crook, doing it within the Federation probably isn't the best idea, you head out, where law ia probably less well enforced, and where you can inflict proper damage. Steal something on Earth, oh well, they replace it, minor inconvenience. Crime is about power as much as possesions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Personally, I think human nurture is a far worse problem than human nature... ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 The star trek world is not a world of peace anyway the klingon/romulan/human empires seem to be constantly at war. Given all the advances of science and technology their is still some entity or another that is determined to destroy any peace for its own betterment. I suppose however that star trek would not be so good if lasers were never fired off and treaties werent broken. Star trek is cowboys in space when it comes down to it. Personally i hope that the future of humanity is not like gene roddenbury's view of it. If humanity is to progress beyond killing and mindless destruction then our suspicions towards our fellow men would be a starting place. anyone prepared to have tea with osama bin laden maybe he will forgive our western ways and we can become good friends. We all have a very very long way to go. I do believe the future will be better but i for one will not be holding my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted March 16, 2006 Share Posted March 16, 2006 Star Trek tried to have its cake and eat it... IMO it failed. You essentially had on one hand the Federation - Earth specifically - being portrayed as a paradise and of course the Federation being inherently pacificist... which makes it amusing that they seem to have had wars with every single one of their neighbours at least twice. Additionally Megalith - a few members of the USA's current administration have had tea and cakes with Osama. Things aren't too cosy now though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megalith Posted March 21, 2006 Share Posted March 21, 2006 Yep tenebrae i agree I'm just glad i decided not to hold my breath :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 The human race is doomed to repeat it's mistakes (IMHO). The more things change, the more they remain the same... c4 :thinking: I agree, and the more things that change, there is just that many more things that can go wronge. I mean, not even the trek world is perfect. Ever watch the eps of DS9 "in pale moonlight" where sisko brings the romulans into the war. He was arguing the finner points of morality aginst the survial of the federation, and he chose to save the federation. Its in our nature to do what we think is best. And what is always best is not what we always think is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted March 24, 2006 Share Posted March 24, 2006 You say that - but i, personally, would not like to live in medival times - things could be a lot worse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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