Tenebrae Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Desperate to prove that they will bow to anyone who expends sufficient funds on pressure groups... Three strikes and you're out! I'm guessing that this is going to mean if you're pulling down a huge amount of data, they'll wield their banhammer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 So the Data Protection Act went out the window? Those ISP's sharing customers details are as bad as people sharing files. There are already laws against that in the UK, so to make this sharing of customer data legal is will mean that there will have to be new legislation made regarding the DPA. Hardcore porn in the UK is already illegal does that mean ISP's will be monitoring that? I see theres no mention in the article? I play a lot of online games many of which use a lot of bandwidth, does the new legislation make me a target just because I exceed my bandwisth allowance every month? Theres no wonder loads of people are leaving the UK. The government is run by business owners and as a result their greed is running the country into the ground. I'm not joking when I say I think there will be a revolution. He who has the most money runs the country, the power has been taken away from the people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 It doesn't matter really, the number of users they will catch with that, is a drop in a bucket. All you have to do, is wrap the content of the torrent in an encrypted package and no-one can tell what is send. If you really want to be paranoid, you can keep it in the package, copy it to a non-networked computer (or even a computer blocked by a decent hardware firewall will do), extract it there and the story is over for any sort of meaningfull tracking of content of torrents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought that utorrent already used a low level encryption? Regardless, I'm guessing that anyone who is pulling down lots of data is probably going to get flagged and then investigated. I'm also fairly sure the Data Protection Act probably doesn't apply if there are criminal proceedings afoot... which is what would be the case. Given that the article is about illegal filesharing, I'm not exactly sure what the relevance of mentioning pornography would be... I'm more cynical than most about the government but quite frankly, even I think the sentiment in your last paragraph is bonkers, chiggy. Yes, there's obviously a considerable degree of lobbying but it pales in comparison to what goes on in the USA. I think that people have been saying the country is being run into the ground for a long time - it's the British way... and a revolution? Well, I'll believe it when I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 The relevance to hardcore porn is that you can download that as well, not just through torrents but other sources on the Internet. It is illegal in the UK but where is the legislation to stop that from being downloaded? The fact that efforts appear to be concentrated on downloading movies, music with no mention of porn points to the fact that it is indeed heavily funded pressure groups who have caused this change in legislation. More rich people dictating to the under classes what they can or cannot do. At least thats how I see it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I thought that utorrent already used a low level encryption? µtorrent only encrypts the header and the initial handshake, if I'm correct. I'm talking about putting everything you want to torrent in an AES encrypted 7z or comparable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Make CD/DVD's affordable in the UK to people with lower incomes. Air TV shows on the same dates as the US. The industry isnt helping itself, its just too greedy for it own good. 17 pounds for a latest DVD release is fooking overpriced. The average man has to work three hours just to afford that. Six pounds for a cinema ticket! The slump in retial in the UK hasnt helped the sale of media in the UK either, brought upon us by poor budgeting and bad decisions by our government. The industry must first help itself before it goes blaming things like torrents for its own downfall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 Oh, I agree that the UK has been squeezed for cash and that - given current technology - there really isn't any excuse for the UK getting films and shows months - sometimes years - later. Of course, much of the price of content in the UK is the tax regime and the high cost of living... but obviously, there's a lot to be said that the diminishing quality of music/films etc. has seen people unwilling to pay through the nose. I think it goes without saying that torrents have replace bootleggers as the MPAA/RIAA's whipping boy for a multitude of reasons... namely, bootleggers are bonafide criminals who are hard to track down and prosecute - mostly because they're... well, real criminals with experience in this kind of thing... Which strikes me as ironic given that we're told these kind of operations are funding terrorism. Whereas there's - by comparison - relatively little money to be made from torrent sites. And, as I said - if you're transferring large amount of data (encrypted or otherwise), I'm guessing your ISP is going to err on the side of caution. After all, I'm going to guess that once you're banned, any appeal is going to have to be an uphill struggle... mainly because you're guilty as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Again this is a classic example of the studios not listening to what the public want, the public want to watch the latest show when they want and not having to wait ages for it to be screened. Also what if you have your own file sharing network i.e FTP and sharing legal stuff, would the ISP's be able to tell the difference? I think not! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 12, 2008 Author Share Posted February 12, 2008 As I've said... I think that high level downloader/uploader types would likely end up getting their content vetted... but, as proof this was a kneejerk reaction. Actual expert says - this is a bad idea from idiots. The government is so busy taking backhanders from these jokers, they just come up with something infeasible and then everyone is back to square one. I suppose pirates can at least breathe slightly easier, knowing that institutional incompetence is working for them, rather than against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 we also had this story on the bbc's website as well. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7240234.stm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 Good point Tenebrae...........everyone in the Uk will be visiting that dodgy bloke at the local car boot every sunday because they cannot use torrents anymore. Boot leggers will be back in force, creating more work for the police and gobbling up tax payers money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 So whats next....having the royal mail opening any jiffy bag to see if there are any copied dvd's in there lmao... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiggy Posted February 12, 2008 Share Posted February 12, 2008 I`ll tell you on thing, Brown has lost the vote of every young person in the UK. Well done Brown you can say good bye to number 10 mate, I hope your happy. Banned from using the Internet eh? Hows that going to be enforced will they have posters up in the local library to idenify these people. Ha Ha what a load of tripe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 22, 2008 Author Share Posted February 22, 2008 Always with the extremes, Chiggy. Anyway, I was listening to Today and someone from Claranet addressed the issue... basically, you can't legislate the issue. He said "there is no technical solution". Also, possibly illegal to follow through. The government needs to quit while it's behind and stop cow towing to... oh, wait. Corporate fat cats line their pockets. I'm telling you, a world without lawyers and politicians would be better by orders of magnitude. Both are scum, subhuman scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slug Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 I think the Robin Hood element of filesharing is on the way out and previously indifferent people are starting to see it as dishonest and cheapassed, it is after all, freeloading en masse. I'm slightly disturbed by the amount of consumer tech designed around piracy, network video streamers, divx players etc. I tend to prefer that filesharing be seen as difficult, complex and prone to picking up viruses to keep it marginalised. The Govt has taken a few years to catch on though, the whole right of the musician issue really is dated, the issue is much more about studio revenue now, what with films actually costing money to produce. Oh, and they seem completely unaware of video game piracy also. Hopefully any tightening of legislation will coincide with earlier releases and decent pay to download services. People can pay for what they hold dear and wait a bit for shows to air on terrestrial, not the Terminator show is already showing on free to air in the UK. And of course there's always the beauty of renting via post. In short, its still possible to get what you want in a post filesharing environment. Er, hardcore porn, illegal in UK? What about all that err.. hardcore porn you can get everywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dBLOOD Posted February 22, 2008 Share Posted February 22, 2008 wether you tend to prefer or not, it is 80% propaganda, mostly there is a bond between filesharers... the sad thing with these anti-piracy issues is, that those bloodsuckers do not hunting for the money of the artists, they do it for the money of the crowd around them... as product quality started to fall, the anti-piracy became more and more agressive... one thing if one wants to listen some music she/he can not afford to buy (yet), another thing when one makes money from something she/he did not create... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 I don't think people should get so upset at companies protecting their own interests... I imagine if you thought someone was free loading off you, you'd be inclined to do what you could to make them stop. As I said though, I think that this is the government simply trying to look like it's acting "responsibly". I doubt even this administration is so utterly inept that it thinks what it's proposing is viable. France has similar legislation and it's proven untenable. It's just such an absolutely massive amount of data to sift through and of course, if torrents get encrypted - even at low levels - then you're creating a number of problems for security services. Tsk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I`ll tell you on thing, Brown has lost the vote of every young person in the UK. Well done Brown you can say good bye to number 10 mate, I hope your happy. Banned from using the Internet eh? Hows that going to be enforced will they have posters up in the local library to idenify these people. Ha Ha what a load of tripe! I think it's awful the things these governments have been doing these past few years. Hurting the people they are supposed to protect. It's just plain awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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