pkrisnin Posted September 6, 2005 Author Share Posted September 6, 2005 Vista + TCPA puts MS is a good position. The Future sure looks good doesn't it :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Yeah, trusted computing controlled by the most UNtrustworthy bunch imaginable -_-'... gotta love the irony. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Yep, if this is true, bye-bye Windows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted September 6, 2005 Share Posted September 6, 2005 Yes ElderBear I was referring to x86 registers - not PCs such as the Mac platform that have proprietary cpus. Actually, the intel CPUs are no less proprietary than the PowerPC CPUs (or the Motorola 68xxx CPUs) that Apple has used. MS has certainly paid dearly for its anti-trust breaches. So they should have. They've actually paid very little and profited considerably. Proper remedies would have been to break the company up into separate O/S and application software companies or to require a monolithic Micro$oft to open source its products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phabianh20 Posted September 7, 2005 Share Posted September 7, 2005 I would recommend that everyone watch the movie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" if they have not already seen it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkrisnin Posted September 7, 2005 Author Share Posted September 7, 2005 I agree MS should been broken up, I'm wondering why it hasn't been done. I saw the movie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley", to me it showed Bill and Steve in whole new light as a bunch of backstabbing thieving geeks. Steve stole from Xerox and Bill stole from Steve. Now they claim to respect copyrights. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 I dont consider Linux or FreeBSD to be a real mass market competitor to Vista or XP. Its an excellent platform for specific areas and in that sense is a good option, but for the majority it isnt well matched. 1. Hardware support. For example my Pre N Wireless NIC doesnt have a linux driver. After a whole heap of hacking and compiling kernels with NDISwrapper to grab the api calls of the windows driver and turn those into compatible unix calls I found my specific card isnt supported on NDISwrapper. 2. Maturity of Linux drivers. My Audigy 2 card has a hacked up driver with known bugs. These known bugs detract from the sound experience. Lets face it, companies like Ati are simply not going to invest as big in Linux as they will with x86. The Ati linux video driver releases are far less than the x86 releases. 3. Poor Installation of Software and Hardware Recompiling the kernel for hardware support? Problems with software not installing right with scripts. RPMs with Fedora requiring intervention. The other argument being applied about Bill stealing...well its a fallacious argument bceuase its a slippery slope to attest that one individual is responsible for the entirety of Microsofts behaviour. Its also grossly misleading to suggest that Gates acquired dos and other early products through theft. Its particularly hypocritical of us on this board to say that Gates is a thieving geek. You cant be so blind to see that file sharing media is not "theft". Im interested in the discussion but there has to be a rational basis of logic to it. Otherwise its just more noise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerotop Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 not that worried about vista the antipriacy hype is just hype atm. And if you are using xp and it works why switch? plain stupid to do it. And getting linux to work 100% is a real pain in the behind. Im for one dont like it for that reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 1. Hardware support. For example my Pre N Wireless NIC doesnt have a linux driver. After a whole heap of hacking and compiling kernels with NDISwrapper to grab the api calls of the windows driver and turn those into compatible unix calls I found my specific card isnt supported on NDISwrapper. Yeah, that IS a problem... it's a pity wireless net adapter guys are so unfriendly to Linux users... 2. Maturity of Linux drivers. My Audigy 2 card has a hacked up driver with known bugs. These known bugs detract from the sound experience. Lets face it, companies like Ati are simply not going to invest as big in Linux as they will with x86. The Ati linux video driver releases are far less than the x86 releases. My Audigy 2 runs fine in 32-bit and 64-bit Linux... what exactly is it doing? ... but I totally agree with you for ATI. They really need better drivers. 3. Poor Installation of Software and Hardware Recompiling the kernel for hardware support? Problems with software not installing right with scripts. RPMs with Fedora requiring intervention. That's why I like Gentoo... Want to install something? "emerge " and let it do it's thing... it downloads the source, compiles it, and installs it. They're also working on a distribution-neutral emerge-type installer... The other argument being applied about Bill stealing...well its a fallacious argument bceuase its a slippery slope to attest that one individual is responsible for the entirety of Microsofts behaviour. Its also grossly misleading to suggest that Gates acquired dos and other early products through theft. Its particularly hypocritical of us on this board to say that Gates is a thieving geek. You cant be so blind to see that file sharing media is not "theft". That isn't the point, of course. We blame Bill because he's a figurehead AND founder, and Microsoft has gutted and consumed an enormous number of companies using illegal business practices... much of which was done while Bill was CEO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted September 9, 2005 Share Posted September 9, 2005 I think the problem with vendors not wanting to write drivers for linux is partly about not wanting to open source what they see as proprietary code. In many ways I prefer freeBSD over Linux and I like how freeBSD can do binary drivers without the kernel embedding. I also like how code gets reviewed and assessed by senior developers which in my view overcomes one of the problems with open source - hacks which lack elegance or strategic views dont necessarily get its way into CVS. If I had my way Id run free bsd for everything but games, to which I'd dual boot, but again the hardware support just isnt there with freebsd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerotop Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 Gentoo imo is one of the unfriendliest linux distros atm. Sure they do get better but they are not there yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I've thought about having a MAC for sometime? In light of Vista' date=' it pushing me over towards Apple. What are the Pro and cons of being a Mac owner?[/quote'] I have and use both platforms. I tend to use the Mac more and more, and it has become my primary PC. Here's what I've experienced: Pros: 1. Less concern about malware and viruses. It isn't immune, but it is a more secure platform. 2. Runs on top of unix, so you can run all the X11 apps. 3. Machines tend to hold their value longer than comperable PC's. 4. The major programs that you need run on OSX, including MS Office. 5. The iLife package that comes bundled with each Mac is awesome. 6. Hardware and software integration makes it very stable. Cons: 1. If you're into gaming, keep a spare PC. Not all games are ported to OSX, just the major ones. 2. When you start talking Mac-speak, most of your friends will not understand what you're saying. :-) 3. In general, the initital cost of buying a Mac can be higher than that of a PC, but over the longer term a Mac is less expensive since it contains most of what you need right out of the box, so you won't be spending additional money on tons of peripherals, etc.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted September 10, 2005 Share Posted September 10, 2005 I agree MS should been broken up, I'm wondering why it hasn't been done. I saw the movie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley", to me it showed Bill and Steve in whole new light as a bunch of backstabbing thieving geeks. Steve stole from Xerox and Bill stole from Steve. Now they claim to respect copyrights. I read somewhere that the movie was innaccurate, that that Apple licensed the GUI and mouse from Xerox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
psheldrake1 Posted September 26, 2005 Share Posted September 26, 2005 Now he's worth $51 Billion. Bill you slut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldor Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 Mac and Linux OS's are in no way fundamentally more secure than Winxp, Win2k or 2003 server. Anyone who says so has no appreciation for the the kernel, for jobs, for the windows executive. What your seeing with Mac and Linux having less malicious software is a combination of secruity through obscurity and a significantly less threat model because its largely seen as uncool to breed hatred for Mac / Linux. Theres alot of tall poppy syndrome in this thread. Also false accusation, as another poster has said Apple licenses those technologies from Xerox. If we really want to explore who is a backstabbing thieving geek, lets explore the file sharing behaviours of some individuals in this thread. Its hypocritical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 <- is happily using Gentoo linux... installation can be hard if one, say, can't read step-by-step instructions on the Gentoo homesite, but after installation updates are a breeze ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I think the love of XP can end since it was XP that made it harder to run games in the first place. I tried to run Armada on my new computer last winter and could not because of XP. I can't imagine why Bill Gates would make yet another version of Windows, why not build a completely new operating system that is actually new, not another mark of Windows? At least on Windows 98 you could use joysticks and play older games as well as newer games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fakungabubu Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I think the problem with vendors not wanting to write drivers for linux is partly about not wanting to open source what they see as proprietary code. It's not necessary to release open source drivers just to have drivers on linux. Unless NVidia did a backflip since I last ran linux as a desktop OS, their drivers have never been open source. I don't recall ATI releasing open source drivers either. Sure it's a pain having to link them to the kernel, but if you can follow instructions, it's not rocket science. Just type what you're told to type. The hardest part for n00bs is unpacking or installing the kernel source. I don't run linux as a desktop OS as I don't believe it's ready yet. However, I do run it as a server OS and for that I believe it's definitely mature. If you know what you're doing, it makes a great backend for a thin client or 3. If only KnoppMyth ran 'out of the box' with my VisionPlus card. I agree that some of the larger problems with distros is that they don't run as easily as Windohs. However if more people with talent put more time into testing and hacking (yes, hacking is legal, it's cracking that's illegal) then perhaps the average person could run a linux-based distro as easily and flawlessly as they can run Windohs. Too many ppl bitching, not enough ppl pitching in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted September 27, 2005 Share Posted September 27, 2005 I agree MS should been broken up, I'm wondering why it hasn't been done. I saw the movie "The Pirates of Silicon Valley", to me it showed Bill and Steve in whole new light as a bunch of backstabbing thieving geeks. Steve stole from Xerox and Bill stole from Steve. Now they claim to respect copyrights. First of all, the law exists to support these multi-billionaires. Unless you're Conrad Black (a very unpopular fellow) and rescind your Canadian citizenship, you'll do fine as Bill Gates has painfully shown. People hate the computer geeks then they go and buy their products! Perhaps "The Pirates of Silicon Valley" should be uploaded to this site so all can see Microsoft in all its Palpatine-like infamy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TV Man Posted September 28, 2005 Share Posted September 28, 2005 Anybody know of any good linux Desktop OS.out there. one of the rceomendation was to use yoper , what do you think. Anybody use this before FYI, I think Sun Solaris for X86 is now open source too. You might want to check that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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