TFMF Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 Ok - same as the Daleks VS Borg topic - though i think this one will be more balanced - last time i think the Daleks won - however - Species 8472 seems more powerful and may be pose more of a threat to the Daleks...... me personally - i go with 8472!!! - they are faster - can survive in space and i think if one of those were to jump on a Dalek - the Dalek wouldn't stand a chance....but that's my opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 26, 2005 Share Posted October 26, 2005 They could destroy planets with 7 ships, I'm pretty sure that would cramp the Dalek's style. New Doctor Who would suggest Daleks could survive in space though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 26, 2005 Author Share Posted October 26, 2005 yeah i suppose - and they can fly - but 8472 ships are more powerful - deffinetly - I mean the mauverability and power - 1 shot kill really - i don't think that infection that Kim caught in Scorpion would affect them - but a Dalek has been disabled before - say it's eye peice damaged or somthing like that so 8472 could really do some damage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 erm i hate to rain on dalek fans parade but the daleks cant take the stairs. so i think 8472 might be the one to win Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrWhereItsAt Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 erm i hate to rain on dalek fans parade but the daleks cant take the stairs. so i think 8472 might be the one to win I have no idea who or what the 8472 are, but dude, where've you been? Daleks go up stairs in the new series. And in fact, they've been going up stairs since 1988... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Yup, Sylvester McCoy - in a very tongue in cheek fashion - is being chased by a Dalek and goes: "Aha! Stairs!" And runs up them, looking smug and so on - only to be pursued by a levitating Dalek moments later. A similar thing was done in the new series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 yeah - they can go upstairs - but lets face it - Daleks are bulky and slow - and that is there main disadvantage - a fatal one when it comes to facing 8472 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 But in a couple of timelines the Daleks had time travel - right? So they could erase 8472... but in a straightforward fight, I imagine 8472 would tear the Daleks a new one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
x5315 Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 have we forgotten that 8472 live in fluidic space? aren't the darleks made of electronics? Electronics plus fluid = bang? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 yeah but i think there armor protects them from that but i think the Fluidic space would weaken them some how - they'd have to move through the fluid - would it affect there weapons.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 If the dalek living inside the casing can survive when the dalek is floating in deep space, I think they could still survive if they were floating in fluid... Edit: Also, there is the point that if one of those critters jumped on the dalek, the dalek's defense shield would torch them... you may have noticed in "Dalek" that they mentioned that people burst into flames when they tried to touch the dalek... active shield means people trying to touch the dalek get killed. The big question is whether that active defense shield that can immolate people and vaporize incoming projectiles (even those of the 200th century equivalent of projectile weapons) could do the same to the body parts of an attacking 8472? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Ok... fellows... I don't have much idea about the DALEKS. I'm still watching the NEW Doctor Who BUT here's a list of Species 8472 abilites... if they help. 1) The biofighters are highly manuvarable and 1 of them can take out a borg cube with 2 shots. 2) The fighters can combine to magnify their firepower which is destructive enuogh to blow up a planet to smithareens in a matter of minutes. 3) They are 8-9 feet tall... can regenerate like Wolverine... move like spider-man and hit like HULK... 1 of them broke VOYAGER's hull with its fists. 4) They are telepathic... though there is no indication that they can read other species' mind. 5) They have 5 different sexes [i have no idea how that helps but hey] 6) They are virtually immune to any type of biological and technological virus or desease type agents... unless that virus or nanobot is releasing the same chemical signature as their cells. 7) Their exact no. is unknown but it is suffice to say their army is bigger than the Dominion. 8) The live in fluidic space... NOT in our dimension... so no amount of time travel and bashing stuff in our universe is going to have any effect on their world whatsoever. 9) They can alter their appearances through genetic manipulation. 10) They are smarter than humans [i have no idea how this help either but hey again] Now... it would be nice if someone listed the ability of the DALEKS so guys like me can enjoy this confrontation too. By the way bro... you DID mean this fight takes place when both are at their peak right !? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 Yes - lets just asume at this time - both the Daleks and 8472 are at full strength. Daleks: - Bulky - can fly - slow (when moving on ground - they seem to be faster flying but prefer moving on the ground however) - great intelligence - reasonably strong energy type weapon - to be honest i'd say there armor is stronger than Voyager's hull as we know one survived a crash landing and other stuff so.... - emotions and stuff like that are suppressed and so there judgement making is not as well refined as perhaps 8472 is. (perhaps why the Doctor was able to out smart them several times) There is more but Doctor Who isn't my strong point Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GorunNova Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 Of course... it's fair that way. Abilities of the Daleks: 1) Excellent tactitians, with each individual dalek being an effective genius and supercomputer rolled into one. However, they tend to underestimate their opponents, and can be thrown off by extremely illogical tactics. 2) Virtually immune to energy weapons, and has a defensive shield that vaporizes hostile matter before it can hit the casing. Only intensely concentrated fire has any chance of penetrating this shield... and even then the only thing that could possibly damage is the eye piece. The shield and the casing is strong enough to allow a dalek to survive (with damage) free-fall atmospheric reentry and meteor-style impact against the ground. Multiple phasers focused on a single point may be able to overwhelm the defensive shield... but maybe not. 3) Fully enclosed environment within the casing, and has the ability to fly or move in space, in the air, or underwater. 4) Very powerful energy weapon that has multiple levels of power. 5) Given sufficient energy sources, daleks can repair even extreme damage to their casings. Their ships: 1) Protected by a transduction barrier (which removes the actual ships from local time by some degree... depending on the amount and how long they remain in one spot, they are effectively untouchable unless the opponent has some way of bypassing the gap in time) Ex. A one-year positive transduction barrier would mean that although the daleks are there, what is in that area of space is what will be there a year from then.... they shield themselves with 'borrowed' time from the future or past. 2) The weapons of a single ship is capable of sterilizing the surface of a planet (given enough time), and with the concentrated fire of many ships they can destroy a planet. 3) Dalek ships are capable of targeted time travel (i.e. they can pick a location in time and space, create a time corridor there, and go!)... or possibly capable of general time travel as of the new Doctor Who series. They are capable of evading attacks by shifting through time... as are their weapons. 4) Dalek ships have powerful (?) defense shields, although their exact capabilities are unknown... and they don't often get used, given the effectiveness of the transduction barriers. Odds are, for pure offensive power Species 8472 probably has the Daleks beat... but the time trump card plus strong defenses would probably put the Daleks ahead in a fight, assuming both are at their peak capabilities. I didn't mention the Dalek's bioweapon capabilities because they would probably be useless against Species 8472. As 8472 relies on hand-to-hand attacks in personal combat (correct me if I'm wrong), they would lose in direct unit-to-unit conflicts due to the individual Dalek's defensive shielding unless they are tough enough to resist a barrier capable of instantly vaporizing metal and tissue. Against 'old series' Daleks, the ships would still have considerable defenses, but as the individual daleks lack the active shield of the new series, they would probably lose to Species 8472 on a unit-by-unit basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted October 27, 2005 Share Posted October 27, 2005 DAIMN !!! :stare: THese DALEKS can pack a lot of WHOOPASS in their punches. Well... let's see... an 8472... without any suit or armour can stay in the vacumn if space... stick on to VOYAGER WHILE its on warp with his fingers... move about... Stick onto VOYAGER in the first place... while its shields and defelctors are in place and working properly. B) Plus even heavy weapons fire takes a LOT n LOT of time to kill a 8472 so how long can the DALEK personal shield stay !? n for how long can they continue to punch. 8472s ship can regenerate... and unless the the DALEKS can dish out more firepower than a borg cube well... there's no point. What else ? 8472s weapons go through borg shield and blow them up. are the DALEK shields that powerful ? These are just some of the questions... that exist... in the twiling zone... :cyclops: [Followed by creepy music] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 27, 2005 Author Share Posted October 27, 2005 Also - were told 8472 can survive in inhospitible enviroments - that can be deadly - not just space but much more extreme. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 29, 2005 Share Posted October 29, 2005 I think I'm with species 8472 on this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 I'm curious how bio masses can surivive in space... Non of the series ever explained it... only that its too complicated [cheap way out] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 30, 2005 Author Share Posted October 30, 2005 Well - not really - i mean the fact that we know very little about them is what makes them scary - the Borg were scary at first but then we got to know to much about them - Species 8472 still has many secrets that should be kept secret ^ - it's not cheap - it's smart :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 30, 2005 Share Posted October 30, 2005 There is a guy who actually has this exact same gripe... http://www.thesinner.net/mb/Main/thesinner/19363 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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