TetsuoShima Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Personally I think it's all Voyager's fault that people have no regard for Borg Cubes... ;) EDIT: strike that, people do have high regard for a Borg Cube. it's beatin' the Scimitar by over 400%... :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Despite the...um...eloquence with which maverick put it' date=' I have to agree: the Borg would prevail. I also remember mentioning in another thread what a horrible, horrible movie Nemesis was.[/quote'] hey thanks dude! i AM an eloquent mofo:D :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 Borg cubes aren't what they used to be... when I were a lad' date=' a single Borg cube could take on an entire Federation fleet and leave it for dead with na'ery a scratch almost assimilate the entire solar system and you'd be glad... now one flying bucket of bolts and a deranged captain can face them down... a sorry state of affairs.[/quote'] what a perfectly delightful sentiment. it has to be said (in a posh english accent) that the producers and writers finally created an enemy so good that they had to be watered down. ....more earl grey dear boy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 This can be solved by hacking Starfleet Command 3 and use the Scimitar ship. It is included in update to the game, but it only lets you play 1 stupid mission. And I had such a hard time even killing 3 stupid pirate ships that it has you attack. I had to edit the game to upgrade the firepower on the damn thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 If you look closely at the Borg Cube pic, you see that it is not only the Federation fleet getting their asses handed to them but also a klingon fleet. If the combined fleets of two super powers cant destroy the Cube, what the heck makes ppl think that the Scitimer, which is one ship, can do any thing but mabe scratch the paint off the cube (if that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 As people have pointed out Maverick - mainly humour types over at st-minutae.com, it's pretty much all down to the enemy you make. The better your enemy, the more likely it is they will have an achilles heel module. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 I have one question... did they ACTUALLY show that Epic of a fight in "BEST OF BOTH WORLD"... in TNG ? 'Cause I have a hard time imagining TNG ever showing any big space fights... other than the last episode ofcourse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 No, they never showed the battle, but they did show the wreckage...which was pretty massively vast. Though, admittedly, a battle scene like that interspersed with scenes from the Enterprise and Picard on the Borg cube would have been nonpareil. I bet they could have made Part II (Season 4 Premiere) 2 hours long and it would have been even more incredible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
howiepoohs Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 No footage of the battle at wolf359 was shown, only the aftermath, including the destroyed ship which was offered to Riker to Captain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted November 4, 2005 Share Posted November 4, 2005 No footage of the battle at wolf359 was shown' date=' only the aftermath, including the destroyed ship which was offered to Riker to Captain.[/quote'] the first ep of DS9 showed part of the battle of Wolf359. yeah i suppose the cube would completly kick the scimitars ass.... Agree TetsuoShima - Voyager destroyed the borg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 The only time they showed the fleet attacking is in First Contact. I imagine they can just beam over one of those devices they used in the beginning of Nemesis, and take out the whole cube, like it did for the senate hehe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 The only time they showed the fleet attacking is in First Contact. I imagine they can just beam over one of those devices they used in the beginning of Nemesis, and take out the whole cube, like it did for the senate hehe. They would need to take out the shields of the cube and i dont see that happening. Also they show the fleet being attacked in the first eps of DS9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Now I'm wondering... Do Borg Cubes have shields? I seem to remember that they don't, but I'm known for my failing memory... :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wahaha Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Never had shields. Just added more armor plates to stop ships from ramming them lol. Guess they thought they were so big that no one would dare attack them, so they use all their power for transwarp and weapons. I don't think they were able to block transporter beams either. They just figured if anyone got on board they are strong enough and too many to handle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 How about a Cube VS Darth Vader's Superstar destroyer? that'd certinaly kick the crap out of a Cube... considering.. 8KM in size :D... or a Super Super Star Destroyer (Dark Empire) The Soverign (emperor's flag ship) could easily just ram a cube to bits + that it had a smaller version of the Deathstar superlaser (that could *only* crack the crust of a planet, not destroy it...) and oh it was 16KM in length :D Anyhow, as for Disruptors - if I get the point here, disruptors suck and are out of date?? In most games Phasers are weaker than disrupters, hence my belief in the Scimitar - as for TREK weapons in general, how would you guys who probably knows more about TREK than I do, rate the FED weapons vs the other races? To me it does seem (based on the movies) that except for the BORG and the Founders, and possibly some other race(s) from the Voyager series, the FEDs are the 'strongest' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 I guess it depends on TIMELINE. n I wasn't saying the disruptors are weaker... far from it. BUT I was saying that the BORGS have aready assimilated disruptor n phaser techs... so adapting to them... regardless how powerful they are would be a very short amount of time. About FEDERATION strength... Well... they ARE the strongest... other than the DOMINION ofcourse. Disruptors were the effective beam weapons before the creation of the DEFIANT and the Sovereign class... like in NEXT GEN. But after the creation of the PHASERS Type XII or was it XIII not sure... the disruptors lost their coolness though they are still very powerful. Plus... then Akira class introduced the QUANTUM TORPEDOES... and the FED firepower went up even higher... and to finally finish it off the DEFIANT introduced the PULSE PHASERS [The ones that fire like machines guns] and the Ablaptive Armour [i have no idea how it works so don't ask] Then the Prometheus brought in the completely automated attack function along with the MULTI-VECTOR ASSAULT mode. Sooo right now... even the ROMULANS or even the KLINGONS came after them... the FEDS would pretty much own them. Their only problem is they r too goody two shoes and they don't send many ships during combats. Like the main things the DOMINION had over the FEDS in tech were the Phased Polaron Beams that go through the shields... high maneuvarability of the JEM'HADAR bug ships and the quick recharge and firing of the Beams. Ofcourse then they introduced the cruisers. Sooo yeah... come to think of it... the FEDS are more powerful. That brings in 1 question though... HOW THE HECK CAN THEY STILL NOT HAVE CLOAKS... TRI-COBALT TORPS... DISRUPTORS... and POLARON BEAMS !!!??? Lastly... the BORGS do have shields... in VOYAGER they said it... While the SChimitar has Primary and Secondary regenrative shields. Cube has primary secondary AND Tertiary high capacity shields. Though they never said how high capacity and if they had any regenerative shields. But they do have Regenrative HULL. Btw... why don't the BORGS have cloaking either !? It would be more efficient ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ifilmco Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 Yeah, I totally agree...how has the Federation not yet cracked those technologies? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bapman Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 'Cause they are sissies. PLUS I really think they should do a director's CUT version of TNG's "BEST OF BOTH WORLDS" where they ACTUALLY show the WOLF 359 massacre in its full glory. It felt really cheap that you say it was the worst defeat of the FEDERATION ever... the 1st all out battle with the Borgs... Klingons and FEds worked together. One of the most memorable fights. and What do they have to show for it !?... Floating debris and expressions on the face of TNG's lead characters. Oh yeah... that did it justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted November 5, 2005 Share Posted November 5, 2005 The Federation signed a treaty with the romulans agreeing not to develop cloaking technology, it's mentioned in season 7 - The Pegasus. As to why they don't have all these other things... who can say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Centurion Posted November 5, 2005 Author Share Posted November 5, 2005 I can try out to play as a borg cube vs a cloaked Reman Scimitar in Star Trek: Bridge Commander (modded of course). The borgcube have so many energy beams, so it wont be hard to find it cloaked. And i guess that the sheilds will regenerate after the enemy fire from the Scimitar. And the borgcube can realease a borg sphere, so i think that the scimitar will get pwned... Hard Please, feel free to tell us what happened in the simulation. I don't know about the others, but I'm curious... :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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