Marcroft Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Which is a real shame to not only the trek world, but to so many other aspects of the industry too. He will be greatly missed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worm Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Personally, I was upset when Voyager made it home. They could have had a few good movies out of that crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 27, 2005 Share Posted December 27, 2005 Personally' date=' I was upset when Voyager made it home. They could have had a few good movies out of that crew. [/quote'] Do you think it's too late for them to do what the did at the end of ENT Season 3 - it looks like there home but - "HEY WAIT A MINUTE - I DIDN'T KNOW ADMIRAL PARIS HAS A GERMAN ACCENT!!!"..... :rolleyes: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Personally' date=' I was upset when Voyager made it home. They could have had a few good movies out of that crew. [/quote'] Do you think it's too late for them to do what the did at the end of ENT Season 3 - it looks like there home but - "HEY WAIT A MINUTE - I DIDN'T KNOW ADMIRAL PARIS HAS A GERMAN ACCENT!!!"..... :rolleyes: What - and then open the film up with more Nazis?? Why does Trek love having Nazis in the show - and how Enterprise managed to do alien one's is beyond me. You would think Hitler not liking a part of his own race (humans) would have a huge problem with Aliens. Evidently not though. I think that each series should have their run at the movies, so let TNG continue until XII, and then let DS9 take the helm. As for Voyager, the ending was rushed, they should have spanned a few episodes rather then just have a two parter - or they should not have done it at all. It was a nice little tribute though how the Federation fleet consisted of all the CGI Starships that had featured through out the show (classes anyway). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 A story arc? In Voyager? What are you going to want next? Plot and character development. [capital letters and exclamation marks] Ahem. Personally, I think they should have had some hand-to-hand combat with Hitler in there. That would have been fun. Maybe get Captan America to join in and all... but really, I think that it was fitting that the end of the Temporal Cold War was just as uneven, unplanned and nonsensical as the rest of it. As to letting each series have a "run" of films - well, I just don't think there is the popular appetite for that. TOS and TNG enjoy a different status in the heart of the common man to those of other Treks. TOS was ground breaking when it came out and TNG was a pretty big show when it came out and enjoyed recognition etc. etc. beyond just the Trek community. That can't really be said as much for DS9, hardly at all for Voyager and not at all for ENT. I think you'd really be banking on the Star Trek name to pull in the crowds and thanks to Berman and Braga that really doesn't mean as much as it used to. And naturally, any future series and/or film is going to have to face that uphill struggle to show that Star Trek can be more than just another 40 minutes of genericicity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 A story arc? In Voyager? What are you going to want next? Plot and character development. [capital letters and exclamation marks] hahaha - well in it's defence they did have story arcs....in a way - the Kazon one for example - and they did other things as well - like Season 5 and 6 was Malon space and Season 1 and 2 was Kazon space - was a shame we never saw the Kazon after that season...Season 3 and 4 was Borg space (though i think they whole of Voyager was in Borg Space)... so Voyager had other ways to please the audiences....(though a Year of Hell season arc would have been incredible!!!) Perhaps the new film has to be more than just one film but a saga of films - if you look at Marcroft's topic about his ideas (full topic: here) he has an interesting idea: The third idea I had, was Star Trek Battlelines. Not about one specific ship, but about explaining some of the events that have happened through out the series from different crew's perspective. Not all the stories would be on a Starship, and not all season would be on the same ship. They would span across several crews, changing effectively each time the crew died. This would not only explain some Trek lore, but also provide an interesting spin. I was thinking of having it set in the 24th Century, but not jumping straight into the Battle of Worf 359. I was thinking of explaining some of the situations that Miles O'Brien had talked about - with regards to the battles with the Cardassian's. Worf 359 wouldn't be reached until about season 3 (a little tribute) and then the stories would probably be not only FX laden, but would also explain and place you in the midst of scenario's. Not all the crew's would be killed, but there wouldn't be many survivors. That would then lead nicely into DS9's Dominion War - which considering what was happening (and being a huge fan of DS9) you really didn't see that much off. Taking not only scenarios like the Siege of AR 558, but also the huge space battles seen in season 6+7 and maybe that three month period not seen in Season 6. this idea could be spread over a few movies to make a really cool saga!...^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dabrood Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 Would that still be the Star Trek Roddenberry wanted it to be? I have my doubts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 You could hardly call all of The Next Generation Roddenberry's future either, since he died half way through the series, and the level of production that he had with that show was no where the same as on The Original Series. Roddenberry gave a vision, one of hope. The Battlelines idea expands upon the need to defend that hope, so yes it would be around the same vision but pick up on different things. Think of it if you will of the word God. 1.God A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic religions. The force, effect, or a manifestation or aspect of this being. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people, especially a male deity thought to control some part of nature or reality. An image of a supernatural being; an idol. One that is worshiped, idealized, or followed: Money was their god. A very handsome man. A powerful ruler or despot. One word to describe many different Gods that are worshipped, yet that are different yet are still same at the core. The same goes from a principle. With regards to Deep Space Nine and Voyager, I still believe that they both are very underrated series. Deep Space Nine I think is closest to Roddenberry's vision of The Original Series of all the spin off's in principle. It would be interesting to have seen what would have happened had The Original Series continued past its Third Season. My twisted belief anyway :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 28, 2005 Share Posted December 28, 2005 I think we have to accept the following: Gene Roddenberry is dead and as far as I'm aware, he didn't take the time to write down his exact "vision" for star trek. Hence, it becomes somewhat questionable to assert that things are not in line with his vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 Would that still be the Star Trek Roddenberry wanted it to be? I have my doubts. I agree, I think that over the Years Star Trek Has been Grossly tampered with in the latter series. I dont think that he would like how ST is starting to look like a french 'shoot them up' movie. imho of couce Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted December 29, 2005 Share Posted December 29, 2005 A mirror movie. What will they come up with next? Janeway becomes a Klingon, these websites should lay off the rumours until a new Trek feature or series is actually anounced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 A mirror movie. What will they come up with next? Janeway becomes a Klingon' date=' these websites should lay off the rumours until a new Trek feature or series is actually anounced.[/quote'] Janeway becoming a Klingon - The Killing Game (ST: VOY S4) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 I know it doesn't mean much' date=' but I think that First Contact and Insurrection were better than Generations and Nemesis. So maybe Frakes [b']should[/b] get another chance to direct a Trek movie. What do you think? Why does every one diss Nemesis? I liked that movie... not only b/c of the Romulnas, but i liked it b/c it opened up so many new story lines with it. Like in the TITAN book series, Nemesis opened up 'the great bloom' after the destruction of Shinzons War Ship. The breat bloom was caused my all of the thaloron radiation left over. That great bloom sucked every one back to the satilite galaxey of the Milkyway-where the Neyel live ( hard core trekkies might know them ). It also opened up a new relation ship between the Romulan and the Federation. Also Romulas is on the brink of war with the Klingons and Remen, and that war wont last long since the Remens and klingons fleet are right above Romulas. That are at least half a dozen senarios opened up, And i like how they did it. Hell, I even thought that Prator Shinzon was even immaginable. I mean The Romulan Government is always shiffting... Sooo I actualy think it was one of the better movies, b/c none of the other movies opened up so much or acomplished as much, imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Well I don't take events outside the series as Cannon - so I really don't know that much about what happened after the film in the literature. However Nemesis for me was a bit disappointing. I have been to every premier since Generations - and Nemesis was the first that I missed. I saw it on it nationwide release over here- 3rd January (my birthday). But for me ever since First Contact the Next Generation films have been fundamentally similar - whereby usually Picard is fighting the villain of the week - Soran, the Borg Queen, Ru'afo and now himself as Shinzon. It’s almost like the plot of each film is essentially the same, and that if you watch all four at the same time, events would happen in the same manner and at nearly the same time. Each of The Next Generation films (whilst I still enjoy them) have been very similar in structure. Nemesis to me was just a bit of a let down - and some of the one liners was just awful :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 Why do people diss Nemesis? Because they didn't like it. It was essentially a long boring film which was all about Picard mooching around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted December 30, 2005 Share Posted December 30, 2005 *sigh*someone create a topic so we can discuss this properly - were already off-topic... The fact is Nemesis was a great film!....oh...right....back on topic but really - the producers should take some of the ideas from Nemeis and carry them forward into a new film. Like - you say it's all boring and just about Picard mooching around - it's not - it's good dialogue between Shinzon and Picard - and an episode can't all be about battles and conflict... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcroft Posted December 31, 2005 Share Posted December 31, 2005 Which is why I love Star Trek VI The Undiscovered Country. Not only did it have a plot that had never been done before- it was helping to found the foundations at peace between the Federation and Klingon Empires. It covered four separate Starships, Three Planets - and really wasn't over laden with Battles and Conflict. It wasn't all about Chang, and really kept moving in different directions and kept your mind occupied in a really gripping plot. Nothing since has compared to the complexity of Star Trek VI. It's also a fitting end to the original Trek crew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 1, 2006 Share Posted January 1, 2006 I'd really like to know how the writers of a movie/series about the Romulan wars would explain the use of nuclear weapons and radio communication in the conflict after the level of technology presented on Enterprise. Well the Romulans where powerful, and Earth was not.. and if you look at ENT its really not all that poerful either... Even in the 22nd cen. the Nuclear Bomb was still the most powerful weapon around. And also at that time most of the Ships where being powered with Neclear power. So i dont think it would be to hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 Here's another terrifying rumor for you from another forum: A new Star Trek Movie is on its way.... Apparantly to star Tom Hanks. OMG NO! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted January 2, 2006 Share Posted January 2, 2006 god i hope that is not true! we would all be doomed! "would the captian like a box of chocolate?' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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