vystral Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 The Federation is a very utopian concept. While it is possible we will someday be like that, it may be unlikely. Do you think we will instead evolve into a Mad Max style of world? Is humanity strong enough to stop finding better ways of killing each other? Will the acquisition of wealth always be the driving force in our lives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duggie Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 I believe the world will go to hell and will not be a Utopian sociaty as a hole. But I believe that there will be a few in the world that will be able to make a Utopian sociaty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 The Federation is a very utopian concept. While it is possible we will someday be like that, it may be unlikely. Do you think we will instead evolve into a Mad Max style of world? Is humanity strong enough to stop finding better ways of killing each other? Will the acquisition of wealth always be the driving force in our lives? While I endeavor to lead my life so as to bring about a Trek type civilization, I believe that Mad Max is more likely in our near future. But remember, Ephraim Cochran launched his warp drive in a post-Apocalypse environment. Perhaps we'll get to the Trekiverse by passing through Mad Max? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VonHelton Posted March 14, 2005 Share Posted March 14, 2005 But remember' date=' Ephraim Cochran launched his warp drive in a post-Apocalypse environment.[/quote'] Zephram, I think you mean...... :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vystral Posted March 14, 2005 Author Share Posted March 14, 2005 I think you are right. We may rise from the ashes of our fallen civilization. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werecow Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 let me give you a perfect example of man. we have been given through some of the greatest minds the possiblity to link our entire planet together as a global village, to share ideas and communicate through words and images instintaneously (sp). the very time that man can come together in peace and put aside our diferences has never been greater. but what does man do with it?? porn surf and d/l first run movies....this is man's thinking at its basest...we want to satisfy ourselfs first then worry about "those other people" as soon as man can stop being so basal and selfish then maybe we can look toward a federation type of society Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relentless Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 let me give you a perfect example of man. we have been given through some of the greatest minds the possiblity to link our entire planet together as a global village' date=' to share ideas and communicate through words and images instintaneously (sp). the very time that man can come together in peace and put aside our diferences has never been greater. but what does man do with it?? porn surf and d/l first run movies....this is man's thinking at its basest...we want to satisfy ourselfs first then worry about "those other people" as soon as man can stop being so basal and selfish then maybe we can look toward a federation type of society[/quote'] In a federation type of society pirating probably wouldnt be pirating right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werecow Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 pirates???? where????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 But remember' date=' Ephraim Cochran launched his warp drive in a post-Apocalypse environment.[/quote'] Zephram, I think you mean...... :p Ooops! My only excuse is getting bashed on the head yesterday! And even without that thud I probably would have gotten it wrong! I guess I'll have to turn in my Trekker Card now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 let me give you a perfect example of man. we have been given through some of the greatest minds the possiblity to link our entire planet together as a global village' date=' to share ideas and communicate through words and images instintaneously (sp). the very time that man can come together in peace and put aside our diferences has never been greater. but what does man do with it?? porn surf and d/l first run movies....this is man's thinking at its basest...we want to satisfy ourselfs first then worry about "those other people" as soon as man can stop being so basal and selfish then maybe we can look toward a federation type of society[/quote'] In a federation type of society pirating probably wouldnt be pirating right? In a Federation type of society, those who create would already be financially taken care of. Those who download are not subtracting from the resource pool available to the rest of society ... no harm, no foul! But in this market based economy, downloading potentially reduces the income of the creative ones (more likely the stockholders who finance the corporations who underwrite the effort), and leaves them less secure. So, they band together in such organizations as the em-pee-aye-aye and fight back (often with absurd legal posturing). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 let me give you a perfect example of man. we have been given through some of the greatest minds the possiblity to link our entire planet together as a global village' date=' to share ideas and communicate through words and images instintaneously (sp). the very time that man can come together in peace and put aside our diferences has never been greater. but what does man do with it?? porn surf and d/l first run movies....this is man's thinking at its basest...we want to satisfy ourselfs first then worry about "those other people" as soon as man can stop being so basal and selfish then maybe we can look toward a federation type of society[/quote'] I'm glad your example is imperfect (although it may apply to the masses in general). Plenty of people use the internet to connect (as do we) and to generate open source software. Lots of thinking gets done on blogs and websites. While the vast majority may use the net as a simple recreation site, there are those who use it to improve society as a whole (after all, where did Bittorrent software come from?!?). So, I don't think it's quite as grim as you make it out to be. Perhaps nearly as grim, but not quite! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vystral Posted March 15, 2005 Author Share Posted March 15, 2005 File sharing does not hurt hollywood or the record companies financially as much as you might think. It's really more of a copyright issue to the government, not a money thing. If the internet is a reacreational medium, then downloading and watching Star Trek is my chosen form of receration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werecow Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 there are exceptions to this as you have pointed out....but... im speaking of man in general....as a species....as Q has pointed out we are known not by our accomplishments but by our insisting on finding new and more exciting (efficient?) ways of killing each other... man has a long way to go to be "enlightened" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
96611 Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 We're far more likely to end up with a terminally messed up world than reach the TNG Federation 'utopia'. And if civilisation falls then there is little chance of rebuilding a high tech society. Almost all of the readily avalible raw materials have been exausted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soulreaper Posted March 15, 2005 Share Posted March 15, 2005 Just like Elderbear, I'm trying to contribute what I can because I also have hopes for a "trek-utopia" though unlikely as it may seem. But.. there is hope! I've seen a lot of change in people through the past years, and it's good change! So perhaps we CAN prove all the negophiles (extreme negative people) wrong after all? Time will tell, but I hope and act for the best! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werecow Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 nothing wrong with being positive...im not being negative just viewing the CURRENT state of man...(in general)...you still kill one another because you dont worship my god or that piece of land should be mine...moan and groan...whine and *itch...well this is just my impressions of how you earthlings are.....oops i wasnt supposed to let that slip out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vystral Posted March 16, 2005 Author Share Posted March 16, 2005 There is an Asimov short story that I think makes sense here: Two aliens work for an alien government deciding who to contact and invite into their "federation." They get to Earth. Alien 1: Well, they've made significant technological advances, they've cured alot of diseases, they've been to space, and they have a large mostly healthy population. Alien 2: Well, sounds like a good candidate. Let's contact them. Alien 1: (interrupts) Wait, wait...says here they test weapons of mass destruction on their own soil. Alien 2: Ok, then. Next. This was just a summary, but you get the point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
werecow Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 my point exactly thank you very much vvstral!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhreaK Posted March 16, 2005 Share Posted March 16, 2005 I don't think we will be reaching utopia any time soon. I look more towards a madmax future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted March 17, 2005 Share Posted March 17, 2005 Just as in Strek Trek: First Contact, I think that both will occur... ie that things will get much worse before they get better. First the dystopia, from which we can recover & learn from before achieving the social and physical technologies and the mindset to create a trek-style utopia. :cyclops: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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