Beawulf Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I can understand why the US wanted to overthrow the taliban considering what happened. However I dont think they were justified invading Iraq, in the end the only reason was to overthrow Sadam....and werent they responsible for him being in power in the first place except in extreme circumstances I dont think an outside nation has a right to overthrow a government. It is up to the citizens, ultimately if they arent happy they will rise up. There are plenty of examples around the world right now where this is taking place. I realise this is simplifying things a bit. :cyclops: Things arent always as simple. You may have noticed recently in uzbekistan where the dictator massacred the people that were protesting against him. Saddam did the same. when the shia rose against him, he massacred thousands of them. When the kurds rose against him, he used chemical and possibly biological weapons against them. It is well documented. The real reason the bush administration went after saddam was probably wrong, which I suspect was oil. However if I had my way, I would stil have them go after saddam. He had killed millions, squandrered $billions, and bound to kill anyone else that came before him. The only power in the world that could stop him was the US. I agree saddam was by no means a good person. didnt the US have a role in him gaining power in the first place. it is VERY arrogant to think that only the US could stop him, almost any nation could have assasinated him if not invaded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I can understand why the US wanted to overthrow the taliban considering what happened. However I dont think they were justified invading Iraq, in the end the only reason was to overthrow Sadam....and werent they responsible for him being in power in the first place except in extreme circumstances I dont think an outside nation has a right to overthrow a government. It is up to the citizens, ultimately if they arent happy they will rise up. There are plenty of examples around the world right now where this is taking place. I realise this is simplifying things a bit. :cyclops: Things arent always as simple. You may have noticed recently in uzbekistan where the dictator massacred the people that were protesting against him. Saddam did the same. when the shia rose against him, he massacred thousands of them. When the kurds rose against him, he used chemical and possibly biological weapons against them. It is well documented. The real reason the bush administration went after saddam was probably wrong, which I suspect was oil. However if I had my way, I would stil have them go after saddam. He had killed millions, squandrered $billions, and bound to kill anyone else that came before him. The only power in the world that could stop him was the US. I agree saddam was by no means a good person. didnt the US have a role in him gaining power in the first place. it is VERY arrogant to think that only the US could stop him, almost any nation could have assasinated him if not invaded. I stand corrected.. There were probably other powers that could have stopped saddam. At the time, there were few other countries that were willing to go against saddam. In any case, I am by no means defending the Bush administration here. I stil think it was good to remove him and replace him with someone. But what a mess have they made it into right now. I hope it turns out for the best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted June 11, 2005 Author Share Posted June 11, 2005 Unsubstantiated rumor has it that the original name for the invasion of Iraq was: Operation Iraqi Liberation B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 ROFL :D I also hope it turns out for the best. They've been waiting long enough for freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted June 12, 2005 Author Share Posted June 12, 2005 ROFL :D I also hope it turns out for the best. They've been waiting long enough for freedom. Didn't somebody once say that freedom comes from the end of a Quran? Or was it "a gun?" I never can keep the two straight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maverick Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 do any americans approve of the invasion of iraq? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 I would have thought if the majority didnt approve they would have voted Bush out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elderbear Posted June 13, 2005 Author Share Posted June 13, 2005 do any americans approve of the invasion of iraq? 59 million - give/take approved with their ballots - and bloodied their hands in the process. But the universe has its revenge - we're getting the police state we so richly deserve! :o :mad: :( (((((B)))))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NumbahWon Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 First of all, Bush did win by a popular majority. Second of all, the forefathers, being far more intelligent than we could've ever given them credit for, did not create 'a democracy', they created a federal republic, and they create the electoral college to avoid any ad populum disasters. Baywatch is the most watched show in the world, did you know that? Seems to me like the majority are a bunch of snivelling morons interested only in tits and ass.... good thing they cannot decide who will be the next most powerful person on earth, eh? Poor Doctor Who wouldn't have a chance if we fabricated such importance in ratings, he would've died long ago, only being watched by intelligent folks. Third, it's disappointing that political bullshit talk isn't allowed on the IRC channel yet is allowed here. Last time I looked this was a friggen Star Trek fansite and a friggen Star Trek Discussion board. Fourth, You got your lying womanizing Christian European killing sunuvabitch Bill Clinton for two terms, so one word: DEAL hahaha I would have thought if the majority didnt approve they would have voted Bush out B) B) B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NiteShdw Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 This thread is a bit off topic, so I'm going to lock it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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