GhostShadow Posted September 16, 2005 Share Posted September 16, 2005 And what do you mean when you say that the klingons dont help the federation. At wolf 359 they sent a fleet to back up the frderation fleet. I didnt see the derilect klingon ships though but i remember hearing that they sent one. SO the Federation doesnt need a very large force when they have somany allies and frineds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I'm afraid I can't agree with that. Let me compare the situation to the real world (dangerous, I know). But basically, in the unlikely event of Britain being invaded by some random country - sure we've got plenty of powerful allies like the US but the fact is, if you have a big invasion force it takes a while to marshal forces and respond. By which point our defences would have been overwhelmed and the enemy could have dug in. Essentially, while theoretically having plenty of allies is a good way to reduce your own need for forces it's no substitute for your own forces. Essentially, you're assuming ideal conditions if the Federation are attacked. That they're enjoying good relations with their neighbours, that they're neighbours don't have anything to worry about and that they can respond quickly enough. As I said before - just look at the way the Founders manipulated all the major powers in the Alpha Quadrant and at how quickly the Federation and Klingons went from being best buds to being at war with one another. Essentially, basing your defence policy on the benevolence of others is a good way to end up being part of someone else's Empire. Really, to say that some other powers forces count towards the Federation's own defences is tenuous at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 Really, to say that some other powers forces count towards the Federation's own defences is tenuous at best. Well i think it does - The Federation grows so colonies and planets need to be protected - klingon colonies need to be protected by the federation as well as by klingons - the Federation and other races share defences - the federation might count towards the klingons defences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted September 19, 2005 Share Posted September 19, 2005 I'm afraid I can't agree with that. Let me compare the situation to the real world (dangerous, I know). But basically, in the unlikely event of Britain being invaded by some random country - sure we've got plenty of powerful allies like the US but the fact is, if you have a big invasion force it takes a while to marshal forces and respond. By which point our defences would have been overwhelmed and the enemy could have dug in. Essentially, while theoretically having plenty of allies is a good way to reduce your own need for forces it's no substitute for your own forces. Essentially, you're assuming ideal conditions if the Federation are attacked. That they're enjoying good relations with their neighbours, that they're neighbours don't have anything to worry about and that they can respond quickly enough. As I said before - just look at the way the Founders manipulated all the major powers in the Alpha Quadrant and at how quickly the Federation and Klingons went from being best buds to being at war with one another. Essentially, basing your defence policy on the benevolence of others is a good way to end up being part of someone else's Empire. Really, to say that some other powers forces count towards the Federation's own defences is tenuous at best. Dont worry about being invaded if you live in the UK, your friends will be there in hours. America has 25 of the worlds 35 air craft carriers and they are usually all on the water prepared for attk. Ever since america made powerful enimes we are ready for them. Also i dont think any one in the world except the US/UK has enough gas to lunch a succesful invasion. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I found this map and i can see how it could be hard for the federation to defend itself when it is tis big. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Of course - that is clearly only a small section of the Romulan Star Empire we are seeing there ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 yeam its so huge that the federation doesnt even know hoe big it is, ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beawulf Posted October 6, 2005 Author Share Posted October 6, 2005 hehehe. I am curious what design flaws the defiant had, both of the ships named defiant appeared to run fantastically and kicked butt, dont remember the shields powering down at a critical moment or anything like that. I dont see the justification for scrapping the design Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 hehehe. I am curious what design flaws the defiant had, both of the ships named defiant appeared to run fantastically and kicked butt, dont remember the shields powering down at a critical moment or anything like that. I dont see the justification for scrapping the design Several factors really: 1. The fact that only the first defiant had the cloak 2. It was over-powered for such a small ship 3. It was a warship and the federation dosn't beleive in warships 4. erm.....well i'm sure there are more.....whatever they are..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 well i think that it is b/c the defient was made after the borg threat for the purpose of fighting the borg. Well It wasn't long after 359 that the Federation was tossed into another war, with the Dominion. they probly scrapped the production due to the lack of 1) man powerer 2) materials (probly need for refitting other star ships into the warships,i.eEnterprise) 3) time (the federation was under attk, probly didnt have time or space to built them) 4) lack of interest. federation probly wasnt possitive about it. i.e the design flaws. All in all it was a really good ship. It was a strong littel ship. But every one refers to it as a warship when i didnt see the power in it to call it a warship. it was no bigger than a ber 'el class (bird of prey, klingon). To me a real war ship would be a Enterprise E, or a Dominion battel crusier, or a Romulan Warbird, Neg' var, or the Remen Scitimer. I only saw it take down a few Dominion destroyers which are only about as strong as a bird of prey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 WOW, i found a whole map of the Alpha quad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 that's more acurate but obviously the Romulan Star Empire expands far into the depths of the beta quadrent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I cant find earth in any of the maps, is it where wolf 359 is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 I cant find earth in any of the maps' date=' is it where wolf 359 is?[/quote'] you see 'Sol' - that's our solar system :) and unlike most of the other major powers on that map - if it's acurate - the Federaion is like the only power to have it's main planet 'earth' near the centre of there territory - all the other races have there homeworlds near the front line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Here's another map of the Cardassian Federation front - this is more detailed but like all the other maps you can't tell how acurate it is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TetsuoShima Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I had no idea Trill was so close to Bajor! :o Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 Just how are people putting these maps together? Are they basing them on actual star maps and then just referring to continuity to fill in a powers' borders? It's pretty cool to actually see a map though and it looks like all of these represent quite a bit of work... I just wish that Trek would respect these things a bit better. It often seems that they can travel at the speed of plot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 I had no idea Trill was so close to Bajor! :o Also - there are two Breen Systems - i don't think these are acurate - Trill is too exposed there - the Dominion War would have seen that a conqured planet if it was there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostShadow Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 TFMF- I think that the map you posted was amde by Cardassia b/c they control Bajor. mabe its their wishful thinking ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted October 9, 2005 Share Posted October 9, 2005 TFMF- I think that the map you posted was amde by Cardassia b/c they control Bajor. mabe its their wishful thinking ;) I know - DS9 is closer to Cardassia than it is to Federation Space Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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