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I'm not entirely certain if I understand what you are saying

 

I was assuming you meant the task force seen at the end of Call to Arms... but I'll take your word for it if they were just off elsewhere, it's been ages since I saw season 6.

 

You are right, auite a few of those 620 are fighters, impossible to tell how many, from the screenshots I'd say: no more than 1/5th to 1/4th. But that's really not a scientific certainty. I am certain that those 620 is without counting the Klingons, since they (=Sisko and crew) weren't even aware at that point that the Klingon were coming to help them. I'm also certain that only a small portion of those ships are Galaxy class and that they are militarily outclassed by the Dominion.

 

I'd agree with you here. I think it's fair to say 20-25% were fighters and that was excluding the Klingons. So that would be around 500 "capital" ships and the fact that Sisko was relying on the Galaxy class ships shows they were pretty much the best ships they had there (outside the Defiant).

 

I'm in complete agreement here' date=' but that's just the way the Federation philosophy works. It's hard to radiate an air of peace, tranquility and freedom when your territory is filled with warships... ;)[/quote']

 

Yes - I agree, the Federation philosphy couldn't really countenance a fleet of millions of warships... personally though, I believe in the old "speak softly but carry a large stick" approach... However the Federation is of course a utopian society... which is why it's ironic they seem to spend half their time at war or on the brink of war... I guess it would be boring if every episode was another spacial anomaly. Still, as Worf said - the Klingons attacked the Federation because they saw them as weak...

 

Still, it would be interesting to see how things were post-Insurrection as pretty much EVERY power in the Alpha quadrant has taken a pouding in the Dominion war. Pretty much everyone is going to have to be involved in massive reconstruction... and just what will happen to the Klingon/Federation/Romulan alliance - will those guys stay tight?

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I think the problem is that the Federation is so big and spread out and seemingly lacking in static defences that it is just leaving itself wide open to hit and run attacks. Also the mines could presumably be programmed to work with some kind of IFF system so they don't get blown up.

 

 

kinda like Rome. The federation will slowly fade away in to the alpha quads history while the Romulan Empire stands strong for Eons after. lol.

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I think the problem is that the Federation is so big and spread out and seemingly lacking in static defences that it is just leaving itself wide open to hit and run attacks. Also the mines could presumably be programmed to work with some kind of IFF system so they don't get blown up.

 

 

kinda like Rome. The federation will slowly fade away in to the alpha quads history while the Romulan Empire stands strong for Eons after. lol.

 

Natrually - The Romulan Empire actually does things to protect there borders and builds ships designed for war. it's the same with the Klingons except there more agressive.

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yeah, and if you noticed about every ship in the Romulan Military Fleet is a Warbird. And that is beacuse they are the best ship w/ best qualities. ;)

 

And the Romulans are aggresive too but they go about it in a better more secret way. They dont just stab the person they hate, Romulans will posin their food, put a bomb on their ship, or just kidnap them and put the into a labor camp!!! lol

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yeah' date=' and if you noticed about every ship in the Romulan Military Fleet is a Warbird. And that is beacuse they are the best ship w/ best qualities. ;)[/quote']

 

It's only a matter of time before Warbirds are replaced with Scimitars!!!

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If the Romulans had a fleet of Scimitars, they could own everyone so hard.. but I still think that they'd probably play it close to their chests... not to mention the fact that they seem to spend as much time plotting against each other to effectively undermine the Federation.

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Yeah - it's like what happened in Nemesis - one governemt makes up a plan - then they are assassenated and the next governemt rejects the decision. I suppose it's the one (and only) disadvantage of the Romulan governemt.

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Yes - the Romulan Senete is there greatest weakness - if they could reach decisions quickly - then [erhaps the Romulan could be a much more powerful force in the Alpha Quadrent - but i suppose that's the case for all Powers present and in the future.

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I actualy think that the senete should be left out of military issues and leave that to the Tal Shiar. And to keep the Tal Shiar from being to powerful they should not let the Tal Shiar mess w/ internal affairs. aslo keep a standing Romulan Military to defent Romulan Star Empire from enemys.

 

 

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And do you reall think tha the federation could defend themselfs from an entire fleet of Type A D'dextra??

 

D'deridex-class A-type Warbird

 

DIMENSIONS:

Length: 1200 m

Width: 1000 m

Height: 400 m

 

WEAPONS:

10 Disruptor cannons

6 Plasma torpedo bays

 

 

The A-type Warbird is considered the flagship class of the Romulan Warfleet (first encountered in 2364 when the Romulans violated the Romulan Neutral Zone in response to attacks the Borg). It is the largest vessel ever built by the Romulan Star Empire and currently out-classes any Federation starship in existence, including the new Sovereign-class starship(was nearly twice the overall lenght of a Galaxy-class starship). Warbird utilized an artificial quantum singularity as a power souce for its warp drive system.With its massive array of weapons, which includes 6 plasma torpedo bays and 10 disruptor cannons, the A-type is one of the most feared warships in the Alpha and Beta Quadrants.

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When, in Nemesis, the Shinzon went off to attack earth - the Romulans considered this a matter of Internal Security - however - knowing the power of the Scimitar - they sent only 2 warbirds after it. I think if the Tal Shiar were powerful enough - they could have stopped the Scimatar - they are not bound by governemts to control there actions

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When' date=' in Nemesis, the Shinzon went off to attack earth - the Romulans considered this a matter of Internal Security - however - knowing the power of the Scimitar - they sent only 2 warbirds after it. I think if the Tal Shiar were powerful enough - they could have stopped the Scimatar - they are not bound by governemts to control there actions[/quote']

 

Lol, in the book "TITAN" it talks about that.

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Well considering how long it took the Klingons to build 10,000 ships as i said on the page before - or how fast the Federation can build or re-build there fleets - i don't think it would take long for the Tal Shiar to return to power

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Well, I think the Tal'Shiar faired better than the Obsidian Order. After all, the Obsidian Order managed to let the entire Cardassian central command collapse... although, I suppose that could have been part of the Founders plan...

 

The Tal'Shiar at least managed to survive... although the Romulan government managed to get eliminated... but then, one gets the impression that happens on Romulus all the time and it's only the Tal'Shiar that keeps a meaningful continuity.

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Well, I think the Tal'Shiar faired better than the Obsidian Order. After all, the Obsidian Order managed to let the entire Cardassian central command collapse... although, I suppose that could have been part of the Founders plan...

 

The Tal'Shiar at least managed to survive... although the Romulan government managed to get eliminated... but then, one gets the impression that happens on Romulus all the time and it's only the Tal'Shiar that keeps a meaningful continuity.

 

oh yes - it was mentioned in Nemesis that new Governemts come to power (Quote: as happens frequently)

 

The Obsidian Order died at that final battle on the Founders homeplanet - at least to what we know - Enabrin Tain (leader of Obsidian Order) died not long after that.

 

I suppose members of the Obsidian Order could still live - but if they still consider themselfes members is another matter....

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No - i'm not saying the Obsidian Order was defeated - but the agents left - will have abandoned that life - There cause is lost - The obsidian Order comitted almost everything into that battle and lost but the Tal Shiar didn't and live to fight again :)

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