xtremeskiing Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Silicosis, ive had that, I dont think it was full blown though, got away in time. Probably Useless Tip #2: Don't inhale terrazzo dust, no matter how annoying it is to wear a dust mask. as for Si based virus, note that it is replicating, our body can only purge it so fast, however cannot break it down. Our bodies don't possess the proper mechanisms to break down silicone bonds, so if the virus is replicating faster then it can be purged....then it kills. The science, I felt was correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 As for silicon based life forms... we have those on earth. Right under our very noses, in the geysers of Yellowstone National Park. The heat in those sulfur pools reaches up to 170 °F. No carbon based life exists there... only silicon based bacteriae. Of course it is no where near a full grown silicon based humanoid (ref. "The Tholian Web", Tholians are believed to be this type of species)... but still, it's a start. Bad thing is, take away the sulfur, they die. Cool them, they freeze (at 160 already) to death... Whatever you can think of.. they're nowhere near as deadly as we appear to think. Yet. It is theorized that silicon life forms could become intelligent, as soon as they fully master the control of their shape and reflective abilities. Different silicates respond differently on different environments. Statement: We can create silicon based life forms ourselves. *pulls rank* "I order you to believe me." ;) With the greatest respect, Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karimw786 Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I totally agree that Obsever Effect was a great episode. Much better than last week's! I really like episodes that have to do with Ethics and stuff. Some of my favorite episodes having to do with Ethics include: 1. Dear Doctor (Enterprise) 2. The Measure of a Man (TNG) 3. Equinox (Voyager) and many others which I can't think of off the top of my head. I am happy to include Observer Effect among them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Silicosis, ive had that, I dont think it was full blown though, got away in time. Probably Useless Tip #2: Don't inhale terrazzo dust, no matter how annoying it is to wear a dust mask. as for Si based virus, note that it is replicating, our body can only purge it so fast, however cannot break it down. Our bodies don't possess the proper mechanisms to break down silicone bonds, so if the virus is replicating faster then it can be purged....then it kills. The science, I felt was correct. you are absolutely right. if there is a rapidly replicating virus whether silicon based or carbon based, our body wont have enough time to fight it. A body needs a good ammount of time to mount a defense. This virus seemed to kill a person within hours. There are very few bugs on earth that can kill humans so fast but they do exist and they are carbon based. I went back and saw that part again and it seemed that it was suggested in a way that our immune system was completely unable to fight it becuase it was silicon based. If they had reworded it slightly differently.. like it progresses so rapidly that our immune system is not able to keep up then that would be more correct. Actualy this was a veryyy minor issue I picked up.. but over all I enjoyed the episode very much as I had mentioned in my first messege on this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Silicosis, ive had that, I dont think it was full blown though, got away in time. Probably Useless Tip #2: Don't inhale terrazzo dust, no matter how annoying it is to wear a dust mask. as for Si based virus, note that it is replicating, our body can only purge it so fast, however cannot break it down. Our bodies don't possess the proper mechanisms to break down silicone bonds, so if the virus is replicating faster then it can be purged....then it kills. The science, I felt was correct. you are absolutely right. if there is a rapidly replicating virus whether silicon based or carbon based, our body wont have enough time to fight it. A body needs a good ammount of time to mount a defense. This virus seemed to kill a person within hours. There are very few bugs on earth that can kill humans so fast but they do exist and they are carbon based. I went back and saw that part again and it seemed that it was suggested in a way that our immune system was completely unable to fight it becuase it was silicon based. If they had reworded it slightly differently.. like it progresses so rapidly that our immune system is not able to keep up then that would be more correct. Actualy this was a veryyy minor issue I picked up.. but over all I enjoyed the episode very much as I had mentioned in my first messege on this thread. Where does this virus get his silicates, eh?? You're not saying we're a walking sandpile, are you? ;) Ell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think I'd have written it to say something about how smallpox was introduced to people who had never experienced it and were unable to cope with it. you are right too. When our bodies immune system encounters a completely foreign virus that it has no 'memory' of or has not been exposed to, it takes days to mount a defense and that could be lethal in alot of cases. When a completely new strain of the cold virus comes about.. its called genetic drift/shift and it can be deadly becuase it has changed its surface sufficiently enough so that our immune system cant recognize it right away. However just because something is completely foreign doesnt mean our immune system is unable to recognize it. In fact our immune system is exactly built for recognizing non-self antigens. It just takes time if we dont have memory t & b cells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 you are right too. When our bodies immune system encounters a completely foreign virus that it has no 'memory' of or has not been exposed to, it takes days to mount a defense and that could be lethal in alot of cases. When a completely new strain of the cold virus comes about.. its called genetic drift/shift and it can be deadly becuase it has changed its surface sufficiently enough so that our immune system cant recognize it right away. However just because something is completely foreign doesnt mean our immune system is unable to recognize it. In fact our immune system is exactly built for recognizing non-self antigens. It just takes time if we dont have memory t & b cells. Let me guess... human biology 101? ;) But of course you are right! With the greatest respect, Elladan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Where does this virus get his silicates, eh?? You're not saying we're a walking sandpile, are you? ;) Ell. haha, thats something I forgot when I was analyzing it. A virus usually needs the building blocks to replicate itself. And our cells are not providing it silicon or silica or sand (~silicon oxides) so it can replicate. I guess it wouldnt be science fiction if everything was correct. I stil liked the episodes acting and drama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 I stil liked the episodes acting and drama. I agree wholeheartedly to that! Despite what I said earlier.. I've come to like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 Let me guess... human biology 101? ;) But of course you are right! With the greatest respect, Elladan na, med school. So I guess it was something I picked up right away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 na' date=' med school. So I guess it was something I picked up right away. [/quote'] Ah.. a doctor... :) Stupid I didn't start guessing at higher education... ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses Posted January 25, 2005 Share Posted January 25, 2005 being not a huge fan of Enterprise I was pleased to see that this episode was quite enjoyable far better than the one before it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vRees Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 Did anyone have a problem with the donwloaded episode?? I did, in the left side of the screen, there was the correct image and interlined a copy of a section just to it's right, bit anoying to watch... do I have to re-download, or is something else the matter???? Please help me if you can... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daffydk Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 being not a huge fan of Enterprise I was pleased to see that this episode was quite enjoyable far better than the one before it AFter I saw this episode, I went back and saw the TOS episode with the Organians. There is some debate among star trek fans whether the TOS episode "errand of mercy" the organians are the same as these creatures in enterprise. The names are similar, they are both powerful species that dont have physical form but take up physical form. Although the organians in TOS were much more relaxed, smiling at times and OBSERVING in a very interesting way. The writters are learning the past about how to incorporate good stories and the actors are getting much better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 It was creepy when Hoshi came back from the dead, yet not back from the dead. Archer asked "her" if she was alive and she said no-eek! That's spooky. I liked the scenes with Reed and Mayweather though. This episode featured fine acting despite having NO guest stars. I look forward to Babel One. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbb Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 ... and no non NX-01 sets or actual special effects. Great show! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elladan Posted January 26, 2005 Share Posted January 26, 2005 It was creepy when Hoshi came back from the dead' date=' yet not back from the dead. Archer asked "her" if she was alive and she said no-eek! That's spooky. I liked the scenes with Reed and Mayweather though. This episode featured fine acting despite having NO guest stars. I look forward to Babel One. [/quote'] They looked both rather dead to me... nice work, visagists! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Looney247 Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 I loved this episode.. it felt like I was watching a mini-movie. :D The parts I loved are.. : - they're not battling aliens again.. - the aliens are not attacking enterprise.. - there was a real deadline that felt to be coming closer and deadlier by the minute ("hurry up!"-effect) - the story was packed into one single episode (and not the 'to be continued..' bull****) - 'schock' moments e.g. when the dead wake up :cyclops: - 'excitement' e.g. you almost hear yourself say "they're acting weird, call for red alert!" - .. and best of all is the "oh no!" effect when 2 of the main crew die and all seems lost. Oh yeah.. it rocks, I just hope they keep this standard of quality for the rest of the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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