Guest c4evap Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Is this begging a "worst Trek actor" thread? Seems like a good idea - if only because of the low levels of thread creation. Well, if you start a thread like that you might just as well call it "Let's Bash Janeway Again" . That's what it always turns into anyway! c4 :stare: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Yes Enterprise as a series was good - i found Season 3 to be one of the best seasons of Trek in general - and Bakula is a good actor - but not as Archer I dunno - I was never bothered by Bakula as Archer... I thought he did the job well. I mean sure, he didn't have the gravitas of Patrick Stewart or Avery Brooks, but at the sime time, Jonathon Archer was never meant to be a Picard or a Sisko. Getting back on topic... WHAT IF Praxis had never exploded??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 To be honest though, Praxis exploding never really got played upon too much beyond the occasional laments for the glory days and the fact that it precipitated the Klingon/Federation alliance. Anyway, let's see. It would probably mean that the Quadrant was less stable. I think the Federation/Klingon alliance is generally what people consider to have settled the Alpha Quadrant down from the Wild West days of TOS to the more sedate and predictable galaxy of TNG. I can see the Romulans - and maybe Cardassians - being the real beneficiaries of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveo Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 If Praxis had never exploded? I think there would be significant changes to the structure and purpose of Starfleet in the TNG era. As Tenebrae mentioned, the Cardassians and Romulans would benifit from a Federation still having to maintain a guard against a Klingon threat, and possibly the war (as seen in Yesterdays Enterprise) could have gone ahead, with terrible consequences. So - War with the Klingons? Possible War with the Romulans and/or Cardassians - Possible. Starfleet being a primarily militaristic organisation? - I'd say almost definately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 The thing is they made the destruction of Praxis such a big deal in the movie but they just left it after that - if Praxis was still around then perhaps the Klingons might have had a larger complement of ships - as i understand it they got some resources from that moon but other than that i can't see much change... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Yes - it's a situation analogous to the Dominion war. They basically say in the movie that life on Qo'Nos will become unsustainable within 50 years and that the infrastructure and economy of the Empire has been crippled. Even if a solution to that problem was found by the time of TNG/DS9 (2360s-2370s) that's still only about 70 years from the destruction of Praxis in 2293... But then, as I said - you could consider it to be reflected in all the complainng that is done for the glory days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antipodean Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 I think maybe that even if Praxis hadn't accelerated the peace/rapprochement between the Klingon Empire and the Federation, it would likely have happened anyway. At the very least, the Dominion War would have forced them to have become allies in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted May 14, 2006 Author Share Posted May 14, 2006 i'd have to say the federation could very possibly become a military based foundation and changed the entire stance of the alpha quadrant. i thinkn there could have been a form of allience formed between the romulans and the klingons.. weather all members of the high council or the maghority of Qo'Nos agreed it would not matter there would be a great deal of corruption floating around for sure... how long the federation would have lasted. who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted May 14, 2006 Share Posted May 14, 2006 Well remember Yesterdays Enterprise - The Federation didn't last long against the Klingons there - and the Federation was a more miltary organisation then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 The Federation were always going to be at a disadvantage though. One has to assume that they were starting from a point of less militarisation and the inherent difference between the Federation and Klingons is that basically the Federation is mostly a bunch of soft colonists who don't do much more than mince around, compared to the Klingon Empire which is a society very much orientated toward war/battle to the point where it's almost a cultural imperiative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted May 15, 2006 Share Posted May 15, 2006 Yeah - what makes the Federation strong is the alliance it makes with other species - the Federation has a fleet of their own but they do rely on the Klingons as well as well as other species.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 I think the inherent problem with the Federation is that in some respects, it's an alliance of the weak. Given Insurrection, it seems as if they'll just take anyone these days... which isn't a particularly strategically astute thing to do. I'm not sure I'd say that the Federation RELIED on the Klingons but it's more that they're part of the Federation's defence plans - like Wolf 359, or the fight in Sacrifice Of Angels. I think post Dominion War, the Federation would have a different outlook... again. They learned a lesson from the Borg. But then, you think about it - the Federation had a fight with just about every major power in the Alpha Quadrant and that never lead to the militirisation of Starfleet. Of course, the protracted war with the Klingons and the Dominion War were substantially different in their nature and might perhaps assess a more meaningful re-evaluation of the Federation defences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 very in depth.. but you could easily say that the dominion were goin to come to the alpha quadrant irrelevant of what was happening there, and joinded forces with the cardassians e3ither way becasue they needed a close ally in forign areas. this would have totally ahnilated the federation, if the klingons were not allied to the federation.. they would have already had troubles with the klingons (who is a very likely candidate to have joined forces with the romulans i believe) and this would have caused major problesm for them in the first place, leaving them to the newly found attacks from the dominion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hmm... was the arrival of the Dominion inevitable... Yes, yes it probably was. If we believe the hype, they've been around for two millenia and there's no reason to think they're going anywhere anytime soon. So one might argue, wormhole or no, they'd have arrived and yes, they'd probably have walked all over the Federation. However, whether the Cardassians would join them is another question entirely. It was really the fall of the Central Command and the subsequent Klingon war that lead to the Cardassians changing sides. I'm not sure that the Romulans and Klingons would ally again without a third party being involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted May 16, 2006 Author Share Posted May 16, 2006 yes.. the cardassians are more of an easy example i suppose... it is inevitable that the dominion would reach the alpha quadrant, and once there would would have to form an allience with someone to create a foundation or base to start thier business there. and the klingons and romulans, i dont think they'd need a third party. if they were to join forces i think it would be more of a corrupt political type thing. there would be a few high corrupt people make it happen what there reasons i dont know, but it would happen. well thass my oppinion lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebrae Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Hmm, maybe the Duras family finally manage to pull off their coup, perhaps - without the Federation allance, there would be no one to stop it from happening. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TFMF Posted May 16, 2006 Share Posted May 16, 2006 Tal Shiar might even help them again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 bit off the current ideas... but what happened to that transwarp jump sling shot contraption in voyager? i know they used it, but it would have been good to see them implement that a bit more, prantty fancy machine that was drrr.. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest c4evap Posted May 17, 2006 Share Posted May 17, 2006 bit off the current ideas... but what happened to that transwarp jump sling shot contraption in voyager? i know they used it' date=' but it would have been good to see them implement that a bit more, prantty fancy machine that was drrr.. lol[/quote'] If I'm remembering correctly...they could only use it once because it had to stay behind. And they were in a bit of a rush (as always). Janeway: "We're 70,000 light years from home...let's boogie Mr. Paris, I think I left the stove on!" :cyclops: c4 B) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hayden Posted May 17, 2006 Author Share Posted May 17, 2006 ahaha so true.. but no as if carry it with them but create some similar device that was connected to the outer hull... just thinkin. when you think about it.. the only technology that they picked up along the way that you actually see in use on a casual basis for there gain is the mobile emitter, and yeah.. thats probly all i can think of. aha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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