ENT: USS Defiant (SPOILERS!!)

[VonHelton]

Woo Hoo!

 

:cyclops:

 

 

[VonHelton]

This is the USS Defiant, from the upcoming ENT episodes "In a Mirror Darkly", in case anyone didn't know........

 

:stare:

 

 

[VonHelton]

So' date=' they rip off yet another piece of canon from TOS. [/quote']

 

This isn't a "rip off" of Mirror Mirror........That's where people make their mistake.

 

What these 2 eps will do will fill in alot of the background to Mirror Mirror & Tholian Web, so that when you watch TOS, you aren't left scratching your head & going "HUH??".

 

This, BTW, is what "BOUND" just did.......It filled in alot of missing information for "The Cage" and the other TOS episode (whose name escapes me at the moment) concerning the Orions.

 

:stare:

 

Manny is doing a spectacular job, and needs tons of praise for his efforts!

 

B)

 

 

[lipsmacker]

If they'd have written all original material, people would have been complaining that it wasn't canon because it wasn't mentioned in TOS or something. They can't please everyone.

 

false canon, or fanon

 

To quote shatner himself, on SNL, "it's just a TV show!" :p

[bbbb]

'The Cage' was much, much better than 'Bound'. In the first ST episode ever Capt Pike never succumbed to the Orions. He fought that mind battle and won, unlike Archer or even T'POl, who proved to be simply the token slave girl.

[Symok]

What. The. Fuck?

 

Seriously, What the fuck? There's going to be a constitution class starship already? Haven't they just barely managed to get the "NX" class (And what the hell is with that class name, anyway?) built/working? How the hell did they manage to build the USS Constitution (First ship in the class) *AND* another Constitution class ship in so short a time? Besides, according to the Star Trek Encyclopedia, the circutry in the Constitution class ships wasn't designed until 2243.

 

And the mirror universe? Thats horrible. This is making me more and more glad the show is ending. Imagine how many OTHER things would have happened in ENT that happened only the first time in TOS/TNG (Or worse, DS9... Seriously, it wouldn't surprise me in the sligtest if Archer and co got to the Bajoran sector and stumbled through the wormhole some how)

 

At least its almost over. I just hope that when the next edition of the Encyclopedia comes out they move whats in the "suppliment" now, plus the rest of DS9/VOY info, into the main body and make a "suppliment" for the Enterprise stuff. (Hell, even better they could just omit it like they did with TAS.)

[smokinmasta]

Sorry to put up a flame as my first post...........but FFS listen to yourselves.

Me i enjoy everything ST, grew up the original and enjoyed NG even more as an adult.

Just browsing some of the posts on here for the first time and i cant believe some of you - 'the circuits have not been developed for that class' so it cant be be right etc etc......

Does it matter if it's not 100% right, It's FICTION FFS, does it matter !!!!

 

Can't peeps just enjoy the newer stuff for what they are............TV shows!!

 

 

Smokin...............

 

[NiteShdw]

The Defiant appears due to a strange time and dimensional shift (from the TOS series). Don't get too worked up about how it isn't 'cannon' (I really hate that word and people that argue so much about it).

[str82u]

The Defiant appears due to a strange time and dimensional shift (from the TOS series). Don't get too worked up about how it isn't 'cannon' (I really hate that word and people that argue so much about it).

 

AMEN Brother!

That's like saying the use of time travel is ripping off another episode, it may be a lack of imagination, but not robbery.

[jamartinjr]

while the ENT section is current, and most active, that the older the fans, (and usually the more wealthy and educated) the fewer watch or enjoy Ent. Such rip of canon pisses off more than it pleases.

 

Are you fucking serious? Older, wealthier, educated fans don't like ENT? I'd rather be with the PhD crowd, sipping brandy and discussing the cultural implications of "The Trouble With Tribbles".

Please. It is a TV show, and it's going off. You won. Enjoy your victory. While I am on the topic, even using the word "Canon" shows a very limited and somewhat troubling world view. Get out of the house, walk around, talk to the people of the 21st C...

[Vektram]

How can you flame the episode if you haven't seen it yet?

 

Maybe you should actually wait and see isntead of assuming you know what the storyline is going to be, assuming you know EXACTLY what it's about.

 

"In the mirror universe, Commander Archer mutinies against Captain Forrest in order to capture a future Earth ship found in Tholian space."

 

That's what it says on the Trek home page. There may be more somewhere but please, keep your critisicm of the episode till after it's released, you can't get a decent view if you haven't seen it and all this does in get another heated discussion of "Enterprise, Yay or Nay?" going.

[TheRenegade]

I personally think they are trying to do to much "linking" between Enterprise and TOS and from then on, in the last few episodes. They still need to tie some technology in there too. They still don't use the transproters as much as they could, and I dunno.

 

I just think they are trying to tie up to many loose ends at once.

[VonHelton]

IT'S SUPPOSED TO LINK TO ST-TOS! IT'S A PREQUEL TO ST-TOS!!

 

......Sheesh.

 

:thinking:

 

 

[VonHelton]

The Defiant appears due to a strange time and dimensional shift (from the TOS series). Don't get too worked up about how it isn't 'cannon' (I really hate that word and people that argue so much about it).

 

Am I the only one that's excited to see what modern technology can do for these old TOS-era ships??

 

:stare:

 

 

[shatnerite]

Hey, I'm crusty, old and over-the-hill, and a BIG fan of STAR TREK from DAY ONE with the showing of the SALT VAMPIRE.

 

I love ENTERPRISE, I love that it's funky, different and flawed. Cap'n Quantum is fine and dandy. May-what is a red-shirt waiting. Reed is kewl kookie who likes to blow things up real good. Trip is a redneck with a wrench. T'Pol is my masturbation fantasy. Phlox is a hoot! Hoshi is best topless, with a twist of lemon. Shran is mean blue machine. Soval is a pompous ass, jes' like he should be. Forrest is dead meat. There IS NO PRIME DIRECTIVE. Do-gooders deserve to get beaten up by nasty aliens. Degra kicked Reptilian butt (until Scott Thompson put a shiv up his).

 

So, for those of you who wanted ENTERPRISE to fail, well, dudes, you got what you wanted. It's. Just. A. TeeVee. Show. But I have no idea what I am going to do now that it's going off the air.

 

Damn suits.

[jamartinjr]

You're trying to pick a fight over a specific demographic.

 

Maybe I am. Maybe it is a fight that needs picking. For too long I have read the posts on this site from disaffected geriatrics (and aggreived posers) who assault ENT for having the termerity be aired. And you sources, need to be called into question. You can't distance yourself from what you implied, that TOS has better educated, wealther (and therefore better able to judge?) fans? Give me a break. Does this other site have demographic information listed? "TOS Fan, 55, PhD, earns in the high six figures, craves to feel superior because he was born prior to 1960, sees his mortality crashing in like waves and needs to once again assert that the 60s were better than any decade".

 

You and the rest of the dogmatic stiffs won. ENT wasn't a great show. I am the first to admit it. The writing has been a bit lacking at times, but they were getting there. The acting was way better than the stiff method nonsense that they got away with on set in the 60s.

 

I would rather watch Capt Quantum than Capt TJ Hooker any day.

 

 

[jamartinjr]

That is not to say, however that I don't like TOS. It was a great show. I am just bummed beyond belief that there isn't going to be some kind of Trek on TV in September.

 

At least Dr Who is back.

[Symok]

NX indicates a Prototype. It's not a class' date=' yet.[/quote']

 

Admitedly, its been a while since I watched it, but I'm fairly certain Archer refered to it as an "NX Class" at some point... The pirate ep where Maywether goes home, maybe? *shrug* Just a detail, not really important.

[lamp]

hmm i dont see why people hate bound that much it is actually quite thought provoking, a socity where men are controled by the women through suduction. if you look at this world most societies used to be or still are patriarcal. this is because at certain points of time men have been scared by the influence women can have over us, so they started supressing womens power. the orion society is as spoke would say "fasinating."

 

what i wanted from enterprise was to see them take those first steps like in seasons 1 and 2, and to have episodes that connect to the future such as in season 4 (data, klingon ridges, vulcan human relation development etc) also the creatation of the federation. this all over seven seasons

 

but thats to late now. i got the first two seasons i wanted, then it went wrong, i loved season 3 but it was suited to a 5th season. i'm really likeing season 4 and would of loved a fifth season.

 

the show just looks rushed and as if there is a whole part of it missing, it's a shame really.

[Ulysses]

hope it aint another mirror universe eposide, i could stand them on DS9.